1 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:25:42 -0600
2 From: Vikram S. Adve <vadve@cs.uiuc.edu>
3 To: Chris Lattner <sabre@nondot.org>
4 Subject: RE: LLVM Concerns...
7 > Right now, I've spec'd out the language to have a pointer type, which
8 > works fine for lots of stuff... except that Java really has
9 > references: constrained pointers that cannot be manipulated: added and
10 > subtracted, moved, etc... Do we want to have a type like this? It
11 > could be very nice for analysis (pointer always points to the start of
12 > an object, etc...) and more closely matches Java semantics. The
13 > pointer type would be kept for C++ like semantics. Through analysis,
14 > C++ pointers could be promoted to references in the LLVM
18 You're right, having references would be useful. Even for C++ the *static*
19 compiler could generate references instead of pointers with fairly
20 straightforward analysis. Let's include a reference type for now. But I'm
21 also really concerned that LLVM is becoming big and complex and (perhaps)
22 too high-level. After we get some initial performance results, we may have
23 a clearer idea of what our goals should be and we should revisit this
26 > 2. Our "implicit" memory references in assembly language:
27 > After thinking about it, this model has two problems:
28 > A. If you do pointer analysis and realize that two stores are
29 > independent and can share the same memory source object,
31 not sure what you meant by "share the same memory source object"
34 > no way to represent this in either the bytecode or assembly.
35 > B. When parsing assembly/bytecode, we effectively have to do a full
36 > SSA generation/PHI node insertion pass to build the dependencies
37 > when we don't want the "pinned" representation. This is not
40 I understand the concern. But again, let's focus on the performance first
41 and then look at the language design issues. E.g., it would be good to know
42 how big the bytecode files are before expanding them further. I am pretty
43 keen to explore the implications of LLVM for mobile devices. Both bytecode
44 size and power consumption are important to consider there.