More plans: Cadwell Park

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<kilo> :)
<kilo> 'best' part is the Parabolica, how the different robots try to solve it
<mart_k> It is hard to find braking points at this circuit: there not many orientation point.
<mart_k> Also, the circuit is named Monza, and I don't know if that name is good for legal reasons (same reasons as why Susuka is called Wheel-2 and Adelaide Street-1).
<mart_k> Also, there is a green line in the sand in the second chicane.
<kilo> yep, that is a problem i dont know the reason...
<mart_k> It can be two segements overlapping each other or something like that.
<kilo> re braking points: the circuit itself is quite easy to learn, so if you drive around a bit you will learn soon the best points to brake
<mart_k> The best corner at the circuit is the Parabolica.
<kilo> definitely
<kilo> if you do that right, you can earn crucial speed for the straight
<mart_k> I have seen the Monzo-circuit already in some other racing programs, so I know a bit the circuit corners.
<mart_k> I think the circuit itself is quite good.
<kilo> i plan to learn some Blender to make up some scenery
<mart_k> The problem with the braking points is that it is neccesairy to count corners: otherwise you brake for the wrong corner (and thus ending up in the sand).
<kilo> much of the circuit is running between woods and that would add a lot to the overall feeling of speed - to see the trees running
<kilo> re the name: of course it can be changed if it is wiser to do that.
<mart_k> That maybe is difficult, because adding the trees as objects cause a very slow track, and it you add trees as picture at the side, you see the picture at the side moving and possible lose the speed notion of it.
<kilo> well i will look around, iirc some of the existing circuits use the latter technique
<mart_k> Maybe a suggestion: making some kind of "advertise" board above and around the circuit to make a greater distinction between the corners.
<mart_k> There is not much of a choise: too slow is not realy an option.
<kilo> ay, i have a nice map of all the boards placing
<kilo> also the cameras are set up following the real-life placement
<mart_k> Great.
<kilo> so as soon as i learn some 'grpahic magic' i will do that indeed
<kilo> graphic
<mart_k> I don't know if adding adverticing boards is very complicated.
<mart_k> There are a lot of tracks from which you can "borrow" things.
<mart_k> For example, adversicement board above the circuit come in cg-tracks quite often.
<mart_k> And they are flat (which also helps a lot).
<kilo> ay, will look at them
<kilo> what i really miss is the 'bridge' that goes above the circuit, before the Ascari
<mart_k> Ascari is the second chicane?
<kilo> Ascari is the left-right-left before the long straigth running up to Parabolica
<mart_k> There is a bridge.ac as common object.
<kilo> i tried to place it there but no success :(
<mart_k> What was the problem?
<kilo> placing tribunes worked
<kilo> but the bridge did not
<mart_k> Maybe it did come at another place then expected.
<mart_k> Have you looked from above camera positions?
<mart_k> ad1.ac is an object which might help to place adverticements.
<mart_k> BTW: all the advertice should about non-existing brands (or about Torcs).
<kilo> yep
<kilo> above camera didnt show anything either
<kilo> http://www.monzanet.it/eng/circuito_f1.aspx
<kilo> this names the Ascari as Vialone, but there are different views on that topic :)
<mart_k> The project maintainer knows a lot more about those legal issues.
<kilo> it was called Vialone but when Alberto Ascari died there in a crash, it was named afer him
<mart_k> If it are all drivers, there might be a good change that the corner-names can be used.
<mart_k> But as I said: I don't know much about the legal issues.
<mart_k> BTW: on torcs.org there is a list pages related to torcs.
<mart_k> You might want to contact Bernard to add you webpage to that list.
<mart_k> Also, placing in some forum that new circuits can be found is also an option.
<kilo> yep, there are several questions i should ask Bernard
<kilo> but am always behind schedule :(
<mart_k> That is a common problem.
<kilo> yep, for sure :)
<mart_k> I am away for lunch.
<kilo> k, thx for everything
<mart_k> I am back. np.
<kilo> i've read your November post in the torcs-devel list... quite interesting features indeed
<mart_k> The newest feature Andrew and I are making is a career-mode. You start in a class with production cars, and if you end up high in the championship you race the next season in a faster car.
<kilo> i see
<kilo> i would like to see the flag system working too
<kilo> and also weather/time changes
<mart_k> Weather / time changes are complicated.
<mart_k> For a chaning sun, every shadow have to be changed.
<mart_k> And for night modus, light which actually do anything are required.
<kilo> is it not enough to change the sun's position?
<mart_k> Currently, the shadows are in a seperate file.
<kilo> i see
<mart_k> About the flag system: I have working "flags" (I replaced people waving flags by flashing lights because lights are much easier then people waving flags).
<kilo> that is ok indeed
<mart_k> There are some screenshots of it in the tdc.
<kilo> tdc?
<mart_k> torcs drivers championship.
<mart_k> http://speedy.chonchon.free.fr/tdc/
<mart_k> I drove some times which are not too bad using that version.
<kilo> ah
<mart_k> I can also make a "cvs diff" and send that, but it is quite large.
<kilo> if i cvs up then, i can build that version?
<mart_k> You need a recent CVS (torcs-1.3.0 is proberbly recent enought, because there are not many changes since that time),
<mart_k> and you need to recompile it.
<mart_k> Also, there are some unfinished features in it, and other stuff that might or might not work.
<kilo> ok, will recompile it then the evening
<kilo> i see them now, they appear floating in the air right?
<mart_k> Yes.
<mart_k> Making nice graphics is not something where I am good in.
<kilo> :)
<mart_k> Making the snapshot is finished; it is 1.8 MB so I can easily email it.
<kilo> oh great, whiskyrover at gmailcom?
<mart_k> Can I email it to "whiskyrover [at] gmail [dot] com"?
<kilo> :)
<mart_k> I first check some files for strange entries.
<mart_k> I automated the process of making snapshots, and I already found one strange entry.