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From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Mon Apr 30 20:08:00 1979
Date: 30 APR 1979 2008-EDT
From: TENSOR at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

This is RP.  Sorry about the last message which was inadvertently sent.
INFO-TENSOR is now back up and each of you who receives this is on the
mailing list.  If you wish to communicate with everyone on the mailing
list simply send mail to INFO-TENSOR.  If you wish your name removed or
wish another name added let me know.  The following is the list at the
moment.

(ASB) (DAVEK) (RP) (AMENT) (STAN) (TENSOR) (ADK) (ZIM) (YEKTA)
(SWOLF) (CMA) (JPLHDW) (JPLFBE) (BIRREL) (FORWRD) (SHAP) (STOUTE) (JLK)

In closing, this is the final time you will see the system message which
was sent twice.  Somehow, a number of people do not like to look at msgs.


                Attention TENSOR users

There are plans to rewrite the tensor code this summer.  There are a number
of known difficulties with the ETENSR and ITENSR (or original CTMS and ITMS)
packs.  However, we would like to know who uses them and more important we
would appreciate any comments, criticisms, suggestions etc on improving
the ETENSR AND ITENSR code. If you have developed any special purpose routines
utilizing the code let us know this as well.  Further, please criticise the
description of these packages in the manual.  Send mail to TENSOR or
INFO-TENSOR if you wish to share your ideas.  Work on the tensor packs
will begin in early June.


From RP@MIT-MC  Mon Apr 30 20:29:20 1979
DISTRIB:  *CMU, *DM, *MC, *ML, *AI
EXPIRES: 04/30/79 20:29:20
From: RP@MIT-MC
Date: 04/15/79 20:29:20
Subject: Re: Attention TENSOR users

There are plans to rewrite the tensor code this summer.  There are a number
of known difficulties with the ETENSR and ITENSR (or original CTMS and ITMS)
packs.  However, we would like to know who uses them and more important we
would appreciate any comments, criticisms, suggestions etc on improving
the ETENSR AND ITENSR code. If you have developed any special purpose routines
utilizing the code let us know this as well.  Further, please criticise the
description of these packages in the manual.  Send mail to TENSOR.


From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Sat May  5 08:15:00 1979
Date: 5 MAY 1979 0815-EDT
From: TENSOR at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

Has anyone ever found an example where the CANTEN function was
useful. There is a bug in it now but we will have to decide whether
it should be kept.


From RP@MIT-MC  Mon Jun  4 13:45:00 1979
Date: 4 JUN 1979 1345-EDT
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

ETENSR is being modified at this time.  I will let you know the changes
which are being made at a later date.  It is now a good time to send
suggestions for changes to me.


From MIKE@MIT-MC  Thu Jun  7 13:44:00 1979
Date: 7 JUN 1979 1344-EDT
From: MIKE at MIT-MC (Michael Wester)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

Does anyone use the so-called "special metric file" (TENSOR;METRIC FILE)
in ETENSR?


From RP@MIT-MC  Fri Jun 15 16:36:00 1979
Date: 15 JUN 1979 1636-EDT
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

        ATTENTION TENSOR USERS

It is important that I know the kind of problems which users have for
which they hope ITENSR can help.  In particular I wish to know about
problems which involve symmetries.  As you know ITENSR does not yet
manipulate indexed objects which are skew- symmetric.  If you can tell
me what you would like perhaps it will happen this summer. Be specific!
Send mail to me or TENSOR.


From RP@MIT-MC  Sun Aug  5 13:45:00 1979
Date: 5 AUG 1979 1345-EDT
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

During the next months, before a new manual appears, there will appear
on the tensor directory a sequence of batch files. These will give
some problems which have been solved using the new tensor packges and
should give the user some understanding of the new features which have
been implemented by MIKE and me. The names of the files will be
ITENSR DEMO1, ITENSR DEMO2,....    and
ETENSR DEMO1, ETENSR DEMO2,....
Send comments or bugs to RP@MIT-MC.


From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Sun Dec 16 08:22:00 1979
Date: 16 DEC 1979 0822-EST
From: TENSOR at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

The new  tensor code will  be released shortly.  There has been  a great
deal of revision to ITENSR and ETENSR. During the next few weeks, before
the programs are released, it would be helpful if some of you  would try
the code and examine an early  draft of the manual which is on  the file
TENSOR;MANUAL  DOCUME.  If  anyone does  not  have  a  hardcopy terminal
available I  can send a  copy. Recall there  are also demo  files called
TENSOR;ETENSR DEMO(1,2,...) and  ITENSR DEMO(1,2,...). Send  comments to
RP or TENSOR.


From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Sat Feb 16 16:31:00 1980
Date: 16 FEB 1980 1631-EST
From: TENSOR at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

The new tensor packages are operational. The ETENSR pack is now called
CTENSR and is available by doing

LOADFILE(CTENSR,FASL,SHARE); for component tensor manipulation.

The ITENSR pack, as before, is loaded by doing

LOADFILE(ITENSR,FASL,SHARE); for indicial tensor manipulation.

Both packages have many new  functions as well  as old ones which have
been modified. A full description is available by printing

SHARE;TENSOR DESCR.

In addition,  demos  exist  on the TENSOR  directory  under  the first
filenames CTENSR and ITENSR. Send bugs or comments to RP or TENSOR.


From RP@MIT-MC  Thu Jul 10 07:46:00 1980
Date: 10 JUL 1980 0746-EDT
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

John Fitch, Michael Rothstein and I are writing an article on Computer
Algebra for Scientific American.  I am soliciting ideas about specific
items of interest we might include.

The proposal to Scientific American suggested the following topics:
1) a historical introduction to algebraic manipulation
2) a description of algorithm implementation and capabilities
3) the various programming languages and their advantages to specific
   systems
4) a description of some specific problems which have been solved. This
   would include some of the big problems which had been done by hand
   and have now been checked by computer with comments on the accuracy of
   scientists of that day.
5) the future of the field and comments on problems which may be solved
   (in the physical sciences for example).

The article must, of course, be directed to the educated layman. In addition,
no equations may appear in the text but we can put them in separate boxes.

Bearing in mind that the 5 topics above are not cast in stone, but there
are the two constraints, I would appreciate any suggestions and/or
comments.  Please reply to RP@MC. Thanks.

P.S. Please excuse the multiple copies some of you may receive because
of my choice of mailing lists.


From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Thu Aug  7 13:51:00 1980
Date:  7 AUG 1980 1351-EDT
From: TENSOR at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

The new tensor manual has been reproduced as an LCS document. If you
wish to have a copy for your very own then send me a note. If your
inquir listing does not give your address then send that as well.
Send requests to TENSOR@MC


From RP@MIT-MC  Sun Sep 21 11:15:00 1980
Date: 21 SEP 1980 1115-EDT
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

Plans are being made to extend CTENSR to include interaction with LSH's
STENSR package. This will mean that a user in CTENSR may decide that
a 5dimensional array such as the covariant derivative of the Riemann
tensor is needed or perhaps a scalar constructed from the Riemann
tensor and its dual- whatever.  A new function in CTENSR will interact
with STENSR to allow construction of a large number of geometrical
objects.

We need some input and hence this note. We must have some idea
of the kinds of objects you may be interested in so we can build
a decent input function in CTENSR. Therefore, if you have some ideas
of the kinds of objects you may want to construct send mail to TENSOR@MC.


From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Sun Sep 28 14:46:00 1980
Date: 28 SEP 1980 1446-EDT
From: TENSOR at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC
CC: GJC at MIT-MC

There is now a new version of CTENSR called TENSOR;CTENSR NFASL.
It runs about twice as fast as the old version, CTENSR FASL,
but may leave less work space for the user. This may not, however,
be apparent for standard problems.

I am asking users to test the new version and let me know how it
runs. If there are no core problems I will let this become the working
version with the fassave as the backup version. However, for the
present the old version will still be loaded by calling TSETUP()
in MACYSMA.

Thanks go to GJC for creating CTENSR NFASL.


From RP@MIT-MC  Sat Oct  4 16:49:41 1980
RP@MIT-MC 10/04/80 16:49:41
To: JPG at MIT-MC, GJC at MIT-MC, JM at MIT-MC, RZ at MIT-MC
To: LSH at MIT-MC, TENSOR at MIT-MC

I ran some tests on GJC'c newly translated and compiled version of CTENSR
comparing it to the FASLOAD which has been the standard. Both are about
the same size. GJC's looks very good for the 4 tests below. LHS's version
bombed out for the 4th demo but was equivalent to GJC's wrt time
and size for the other three. In view of these results I think
this version should replace the FASSAVE. I will wait a few days
and run some more tests. Any comments?

CTENSR DEMO1    TOTALTIME   GCTIME      FREECORE AT FINISH
FASLOAD     12402 msec.     4151 msec.      40 BLOCKS
GJC     10209 msec. 3770 msec.  41 BLOCKS

CTENSR DEMO2    TOTALTIME   GCTIME      FREECORE AT FINISH
FASLOAD     79252 msec.     23022 msec.     32 BLOCKS
GJC     26251 msec. 9326 msec.  37 BLOCKS

CTENSR DEMO3    TOTALTIME   GCTIME      FREECORE AT FINISH
FASLOAD     54072 msec.     15815 msec. 34 BLOCKS
GJC     24662 msec. 9378 msec.  37 BLOCKS

CTENSR DEMO4    TOTALTIME   GCTIME      FREECORE AT FINISH
FASLOAD     54010 msec.     19832 msec.     6 BLOCKS
GJC     38671 msec. 15216 msec. 9 BLOCKS


From RP@MIT-MC  Sun Oct  5 22:26:00 1980
Date:  5 OCT 1980 2226-EDT
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC
CC: GJC at MIT-MC

There is now a new version of CTENSR called TENSOR;CTENSR FASL.
It is translated and compiled and it runs several times as fast
as the old version while providing more work space for the user.

I would like users to test it and let me know if there are any
problems. CTENSR FASL may be loaded by calling TSETUP() in MACYSMA
or loading the file directly.

Thanks go to GJC for creating the new version.


From LSH@MIT-MC  Wed Nov  5 08:33:00 1980
Date:  5 NOV 1980 0833-EST
From: LSH at MIT-MC (Lars S. Hornfeldt)
Subject: STENSR's humanoid trig simplifier
To: MACSYMA-I at MIT-MC, ELL at MIT-MC, STOUTE at MIT-MC
CC: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC, MRM at MIT-MC, JPFF at MIT-MC

TRIGSUM(exp);   is a new function that exploits the trig sum-relation:
                 2         2
                          sin (x) + cos (x) -1  => 0

simultaneously in all formulations: sin+cos->1,  1-sin->cos,  1-cos->sin.
Each direction is selectively used only where it is BENEFICIAL, and
the program returns THAT mixture of sin and cos that constitutes the
least number of terms.      For instance:

TRIGSUM of: (ONE - C     )*SIN(X)^2   Returns     (      S)*SIN(X)^2
          + (ONE      - S)*COS(X)^2     ===>    + (    C  )*COS(X)^2
          + (    + C  + S)                      + (ONE    )

This works equally well and fast if multiplied with any sin-cos power.
The workspace consumption =0, in contrast to explicit subst. sin=>cos.
See the output file  LSH;TRGSUM DEMOUT   -which is a writefile
of  the batch        TRGSUM,DEMO

TRIGSUM calls the arbitrary-sum-substitutor (=1yr work) in STENSR (6y).
An attempt to explain it's main lines is in TRGSUM MAIL
(complementing Springer Verlag.. see lsh;STENSR INFO)

I've the last two months [besides beating RP's Sci. Am-problem on 4
machines] made long planned improvements of the sumsubstitutor as to:

1) Substitute COLLAPSABLE sums, ie sums for which the number of, and
   sequence of, the terms may change in certain malign environments.
   Eg. the cyclic sum of 3 Riemann tensors (=identically zero) can
   collapse to 2 or less terms if contracted with symmetric tensors.

2) allow a user-provided, optional ELECTION-function, that determines
   what terms to get rid of when that choice is extra tricky. A such
   one is built into TRIGSUM, doing the choice between the terms
   associated with  "sin", "cos" and "-1".

Let me know if you can repeat any demo example with trigsimp,ratsubst
,exponentialize..
            -lsh


From LSH@MIT-MC  Tue Dec 16 20:10:00 1980
Date: 16 DEC 1980 2010-EST
From: LSH at MIT-MC (Lars S. Hornfeldt)
Subject: Human-like new TRIG-SIMPLIFIER and SUMSUBSTITUTOR
To: INFO-MACSYM at MIT-MC, INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC, HEP at MIT-MC

TRIGSUM(exp);  is a new function (autoloading) that exploits the
TRIG-onometric SUM-relation:     2         2
                              sin (x) + cos (x) - 1  ==> 0

in an optimal fashion; ie it uses DIFFERENT formulations:
   2      2                   2        2             2        2
sin  + cos  ==> 1,     1 - sin  ==> cos ,     1 - cos  ==> sin

selectively only where they are BENEFICIAL, and the program returns
THAT mixture of sin and cos that constitutes the least number of terms.
For instance, TRIGSUM on the 6-term-expression:

  (ONE - C     )*SIN(X)^2 \  Returns 3 terms: /    (      S)*SIN(X)^2
+ (ONE      - S)*COS(X)^2  >      ===>       <   + (    C  )*COS(X)^2
+ (    + C  + S)          /                   \  + (ONE    )

This works equally well and fast if multiplied with any sin-cos power.

TRIGSUM uses the sum-substitutor (=1yr work) in STENSR. For references
and pointers see SHARE;STENSR USAGE.  Any arb.-length-sum of arb.-length-
products of tensors can be substituted, and in PRINCIPLE also of scalars.
Send bugs, and such sum-relations that you want to exploit, to me.

Being a complicated program, it's not small, but you can ALWAYS type
TRIGSUM(..);  since it tests space to fit the program before it autoloads.
Also the workspace consumption =0, in contrast to explicit subst. sin=>cos.

Do   :PRINT LSH;TRGSUM DEMOUT    to see a demo writefile, or run the demo
itself by  DEMO(TRGSUM,DEMO,DSK,LSH)$   which takes 5 cpu-min to end
[but (a curiosum): substituting sin=>cos would give results requiring
an Earthsized machine to store, and would take 10^7 Universe-lifetimes].

-lsh

From RP@MIT-MC  Sun Jan 25 10:17:00 1981
Date: 25 JAN 1981 1017-EST
From: RP at MIT-MC (Richard Pavelle)
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

I wish to remind users of the tensor packages that if you have written
any code which you feel should/could be added to the existing code then
please let me know. This is the best way to expand the capabilities!

From LSH0@MIT-MC  Sat May 30 12:35:00 1981
Date: 30 May 1981 12:35-EDT
From: Lars S. Hornfeldt <LSH at MIT-MC>
Sender: LSH0 at MIT-MC
Subject: TRIGSUM accepts all trigfunctions
To: INFO-MACSYM at MIT-MC, INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

-at input, i.e. also tan, cot, sec and csc, and converts them
to sin and cos, so that all equivalent formulations of the
relation   sin^2 + cos^2 = 1    are exploited fully
     (decreasing the number of terms).
Then it also COMBINES BACK the sin- and cos-es into the most
advantageous combination of the other functions (not offered
by earlier methods as I know).  If nothing better, at least
neg. powers of sin or cos are replaced with csc and sec.
   Both conversions are integrated in an excisting one, costing
negligible extra time.  Please send +/-  -experiences and bugs to me.
-lsh

From ADK@MIT-MC  Thu Jan 14 16:03:00 1982
Date: 14 January 1982 16:03-EST
From: Anthony D. Kennedy <ADK at MIT-MC>
Subject: Dirac Algebra.
To: HEP at MIT-MC, INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC, WEC at MIT-MC,
    MACSYM at MIT-MC

    I am considering implementing a new Dirac gamma-matrix
algorithm in Macsyma.  The algorithm is much faster than the
previously used brute-force methods for arbitrary n-dimensional
calculations, and is quite possibly faster than tricks like the
Kahane algorithm in four dimensions.  I would like to know all
your comments, suggestions, and uses (past, present, or future)
for such a program, as well as your preferences for input/output
formats and syntax.  Now is the chance to make your prejudices known!
        - Tony Kennedy (ADK@MIT-MC)
[Apologies for multiple copies due to overlapping mailing-lists]

From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Fri Feb 19 07:26:00 1982
Date: 19 February 1982 07:26-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <TENSOR at MIT-MC>
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

Do not use ITENSR until further notice. It is broken!

From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Mon Mar  1 08:38:00 1982
Date: 1 March 1982 08:38-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <TENSOR at MIT-MC>
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

ITENSR is now fixed.  Thanks JPG.

From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Tue Mar  9 14:38:00 1982
Date: 9 March 1982 14:38-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <TENSOR at MIT-MC>
Subject: TRANSFORM in CTENSR
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC
cc: JPG at MIT-MC, ELLEN at MIT-MC, RJF at MIT-MC, RP at MIT-MC,
    ELL at MIT-MC

The TRANSFORM function in CTENSR has been renamed to TTRANSFORM.

From TENSOR@MIT-MC  Tue Mar  9 15:25:00 1982
Date: 9 March 1982 15:25-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <TENSOR at MIT-MC>
To: Kim.fateman at UCB-C70
cc: RP at MIT-MC

    Date: 4 Mar 1982 12:37:41-PST
    From: Kim.fateman at Berkeley

    I mentioned to you that "transform" as a name of a command was
    used elsewhere (than in ctensor).  It is used in "ode".  We noticed
    it on the vax because we have installed auto-load properties on
    entries into ode in our default system.
Thanks. It has been changed to TTRANSFORM in CTENSR.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 10 02:42:59 1982
From: ELLEN@MIT-MC 03/10/82 02:42:59
Subject: Re: TRANSFORM in CTENSR

I have changed TRANSFORM in TENSOR;MANUAL > to be TTRANSFORM, and
made the proper change in DESCRIBE.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 10 10:56:00 1982
Date: 10 March 1982 10:56-EST
From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
To: GJC at MIT-MC
cc: BUG-MULMAX at MIT-MC

I moved TENSOR;ITENSR > over to Multics as
>udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.lisp and when I attempt to loadfile
it it gets

"Call to an undefined function '?macsyma\-module' at Lisp level."

Any ideas what that is about?

From RP@MIT-MC  Thu Mar 11 08:25:00 1982
Date: 11 March 1982 08:25-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
Subject: conflicting functions in ITENSR and CTENSR
To: JPG at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC, ELLEN at MIT-MC

    Date: 22 September 1981 04:10-EDT
    From: Jeffrey P. Golden <JPG at MIT-MC>

       ELLEN@MIT-MC 09/22/81 03:57:36 Re: BUG - ITENSR
       I tried the ITENSO DEMO1 and it got a "too many arguments supplied
       to RIEMANN(DIS) at the first line.  You better check this, since POURNE
       may want to use these demos (and the error could be indicative of more
       serious trouble in MACSYMA).

    It appears that RIEMANN is two different functions, the one in CTENSR takes
    one arg and the one in ITENSR takes two args!  So you get into trouble
    if you try CTENSR and ITENSR in the same MACSYMA.  What lossage!  This
    should be fixed.
I have changed the RIEMANN function in ITENSR to CURVATURE. If this name
causes no conflicts please recompile TENSOR;ITENSR > and I will send a
note out.

From RP@MIT-MC  Thu Mar 11 16:37:00 1982
Date: 11 March 1982 16:37-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
Subject: change to ITENSR
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

The RIEMANN function in ITENSR, which represents the standard Riemann
4 index curvature tensor, has been renamed to CURVATURE to stop the
conflict with the RIEMANN function in CTENSR.

From RP@MIT-MC  Fri Mar 12 09:46:00 1982
Date: 12 March 1982 09:46-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
Subject: TENSOR;MANUAL >
To: ELLEN at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC

    ELLEN@MIT-MC 03/11/82 18:19:42 Re: TENSOR;MANUAL >
    I have put CURVATURE alphabetically, which places it between COVDIFF
    and DIFF.  I myself wonder if (since there is an index) you might want
    to consider reordering the functions more by "use", if there is any
    sort of progression there... it is a very minor point, so if you don't
    care we will leave things as they are, but to me for instance it would
    seem natural to have DIFF and COVDIFF together, and have CURVATURE
    (even if it were named RIEMANN and thus came later in the alphabet) just
    before GEODESIC, since they appear (to my casual glance) to be related.
    Anyone needing the page of a precise function probably isn't going to
    be making use of the fact they are alphabetical, but rather using the
    index.
I do not think this would be useful here. Clearly, for a users manual it
is a winning idea.

From RP@MIT-MC  Sun Mar 14 17:11:00 1982
Date: 14 March 1982 17:11-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
To: ELLEN at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC

I made a few more changes to the TENSOR manual. I assume you will be using
this as the source for the new manual, right? Also, I want to remind you
about checking that acknowledgements to not occur in the new manual.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Sun Mar 14 17:11:55 1982
ELLEN@MIT-MC 03/14/82 17:11:55
Yes, the PUB for the manual pulls TENSOR;MANUAL > in as source file.
I will check on the acknowledgements, thanks for reminding me.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Mon Mar 15 16:31:30 1982
ELLEN@MIT-MC 03/15/82 16:31:30
    Date: 14 March 1982 17:11-EST
    From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>

    I made a few more changes to the TENSOR manual. I assume you will be using
    this as the source for the new manual, right? Also, I want to remind you
    about checking that acknowledgements to not occur in the new manual.
-----------------------------------
I have removed the acknowledgement from TENSOR;MANUAL > and placed it in
DRAFT > so that if the TENSOR manual is run off again as a TM, it will appear
in that copy, but the text itself as gets slurped into the "real manual"
will not contain it.

From RP@MIT-MC  Tue Mar 23 20:40:00 1982
Date: 23 March 1982 20:40-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
To: JPG at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC, ELLEN at MIT-MC, CWH at MIT-MC

       Date: 23 March 1982 03:39-EST
       From: Jeffrey P. Golden <JPG at MIT-MC>
       CWH tells me that ITENSR has been compiled on Multics.  Load it up and
       see if it works.
   Date: 10 March 1982 10:56-EST
   From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
   To: GJC at MIT-MC
   cc: BUG-MULMAX at MIT-MC
   I moved TENSOR;ITENSR > over to Multics as
   >udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.lisp and when I attempt to loadfile
   it it gets
   "Call to an undefined function '?macsyma\-module' at Lisp level."
   Any ideas what that is about?
This bug is still there so I cannot test ITENSR.

From CWH@MIT-MC  Tue Mar 23 21:15:00 1982
Date: 23 March 1982 21:15-EST
From: Carl W. Hoffman <CWH at MIT-MC>
To: RP at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC, ELLEN at MIT-MC, GJC at MIT-MC

    Date: 23 March 1982 20:40-EST
    From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>

       Date: 10 March 1982 10:56-EST
       From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>

       I moved TENSOR;ITENSR > over to Multics as
       >udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.lisp and when I attempt to loadfile
       it it gets
       "Call to an undefined function '?macsyma\-module' at Lisp level."
       Any ideas what that is about?

    This bug is still there so I cannot test ITENSR.

No, that's a different bug.  The installed Macsyma doesn't know about
macsyma-module, so running interpreted system code won't work.  Try loading
the compiled file.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Tue Mar 23 23:47:00 1982
Date: 23 March 1982 23:47-EST
From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
To: CWH at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC, ELLEN at MIT-MC, GJC at MIT-MC

RE ITENSR... what is the proper file spec for the compiled version of
ITENSR?  My guess would be ">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.fasl"
but Multics is not always that obvious... is this correct?

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 24 00:26:00 1982
Date: 24 March 1982 00:26-EST
From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
To: CWH at MIT-MC
cc: ELLEN at MIT-MC, RP at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC, GJC at MIT-MC

    Date: 23 March 1982 23:47-EST
    From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>

    RE ITENSR... what is the proper file spec for the compiled version of
    ITENSR?  My guess would be ">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.fasl"
    but Multics is not always that obvious... is this correct?
-------------------------------
I just tried it and it is not correct.  NU?

From CWH@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 24 11:13:00 1982
Date: 24 March 1982 11:13-EST
From: Carl W. Hoffman <CWH at MIT-MC>
To: ELLEN at MIT-MC
cc: GJC at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC, RP at MIT-MC

    Date: 23 March 1982 23:47-EST
    From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN>
    To:   CWH
    cc:   RP, JPG, ELLEN, GJC

    RE ITENSR... what is the proper file spec for the compiled version of
    ITENSR?  My guess would be ">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.fasl"
    but Multics is not always that obvious... is this correct?

No, it is just called itensr.  If you do "cwd >udd>Mathlab>Macsyma>share"
(or just "cwd >udd>mal>a>share"), then you can type "list" to list the
contents of the directory.  (Of course this is less obvious than typing
control-F, but what can you do with a loser like Multics.)

From RP@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 24 11:38:00 1982
Date: 24 March 1982 11:38-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
To: ELLEN at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC

    Date: 24 March 1982 11:13-EST
    From: Carl W. Hoffman <CWH at MIT-MC>
        Date: 23 March 1982 23:47-EST
        From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN>
        To:   CWH
        cc:   RP, JPG, ELLEN, GJC
        RE ITENSR... what is the proper file spec for the compiled version of
        ITENSR?  My guess would be ">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.fasl"
        but Multics is not always that obvious... is this correct?
    No, it is just called itensr.  If you do "cwd >udd>Mathlab>Macsyma>share"
    (or just "cwd >udd>mal>a>share"), then you can type "list" to list the
    contents of the directory.  (Of course this is less obvious than typing
    control-F, but what can you do with a loser like Multics.)
I tried LOADFILE(">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr") and this is ok. Then
BATCH(">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.demo1") etc bombs out because
each ITENSR demo has a command to LOADFILE(ITENSR,FASL). Can you edit this
line out of each demo or tell me how to do it?

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 24 17:33:00 1982
Date: 24 March 1982 17:33-EST
From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
To: RP at MIT-MC
cc: ELLEN at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC

    Date: 24 March 1982 11:38-EST
    From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>

        Date: 24 March 1982 11:13-EST
        From: Carl W. Hoffman <CWH at MIT-MC>
        No, it is just called itensr.
        If you do "cwd >udd>Mathlab>Macsyma>share"
        (or just "cwd >udd>mal>a>share"), then you can type "list" to list the
        contents of the directory.  (Of course this is less obvious than typing
        control-F, but what can you do with a loser like Multics.)
    I tried LOADFILE(">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr") and this is ok. Then
    BATCH(">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.demo1") etc bombs out because
    each ITENSR demo has a command to LOADFILE(ITENSR,FASL). Can you edit this
    line out of each demo or tell me how to do it?
---------------------------------
I edited a copy of each demo file here on MC and retransferred them to Multics.
Now, when I attempt to demo these files, they appear to work until (for
demo1, e.g.) up to the line

CANFORM(EXP);

at which point it gets an error:

lisp:function allfiles rejected argument ((dsk tensor) symtry fasl)

which I gather means we need to transfer (and compile) some more files.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Wed Mar 24 17:55:00 1982
Date: 24 March 1982 17:55-EST
From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
Subject: More ITENSR stuff
To: CWH at MIT-MC, GJC at MIT-MC, RP at MIT-MC
cc: ELLEN at MIT-MC, JPG at MIT-MC

It appears to get ITENSR working on Multics we need also to compile
TENSOR; CANTEN 6
    GENER 50
    SYMTRY 100
on Multics.  Since there are called from itensr.

>udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>itensr.demo1

gets an error:

lisp:function allfiles rejected argument ((dsk tensor) symtry fasl)

From Unruh.QuantGR@MIT-MULTICS  Thu Mar 25 17:21:00 1982
Date:  25 March 1982 17:21 est
From:  Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
Subject:  Bug in ctensr on Multics
To:  RP at MIT-MC

I've run into another bug in CTENSR on Multics.I ran tsetup(), dimension 4,
coordinates [u,v,x,y], symmetric metric, with 1,2=a , 3,3=b , 4,4=b
and depends(a,[x,y],b,[x,y]). I had the metric listed. After the metric
was displayed,I got the message
 "Call to an undefined function 'true' at Lisp level."
              Unruh under QuantGR on Multics.

From RP@MIT-MC  Thu Mar 25 19:25:27 1982
From: RP@MIT-MC 03/25/82 19:25:27
Subject: Re: Bug in ctensr on Multics
To: JPG at MIT-MC
CC: RP at MIT-MC, CWH at MIT-MC

    Date:  25 March 1982 17:21 est
    From:  Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS

    coordinates [u,v,x,y], symmetric metric, with 1,2=a , 3,3=b , 4,4=b
    and depends(a,[x,y],b,[x,y]). I had the metric listed. After the metric
    was displayed,I got the message
     "Call to an undefined function 'true' at Lisp level."
                  Unruh under QuantGR on Multics.
I ran this on MC without difficulty but it does bomb out on MULTICS-
see RP;AA BUG.
Any suggestions?

From JPG@MIT-MC  Thu Mar 25 19:39:35 1982
RP@MIT-MC 03/25/82 19:39:35 Re: Bug in ctensr on Multics
To: JPG at MIT-MC
CC: RP at MIT-MC, CWH at MIT-MC
I ran some more tests and the CTENSR demos run on MULTICS though
this example of Unruh's bombs. The problem occurs when ANY metric
is direct input (as opposed to the demos where the user does not
type them). I have no idea where the problem lies.

From RP@MIT-MC  Thu Mar 25 19:42:00 1982
Date: 25 March 1982 19:42-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
Subject: Bug in ctensr on Multics
To: Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
cc: RP at MIT-MC

    Date:  25 March 1982 17:21 est
    From:  Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS

    I've run into another bug in CTENSR on Multics.I ran tsetup(), dimension 4,
    coordinates [u,v,x,y], symmetric metric, with 1,2=a , 3,3=b , 4,4=b
    and depends(a,[x,y],b,[x,y]). I had the metric listed. After the metric
    was displayed,I got the message
     "Call to an undefined function 'true' at Lisp level."
                  Unruh under QuantGR on Multics.
It seems to happen with any metric. MC is working fine if that helps.
We will try to do something but there is little support for MULTICS macsyma
as you may know.

From JPG@MIT-MC  Sat Mar 27 09:39:00 1982
Date: 27 March 1982 09:39-EST
From: Jeffrey P. Golden <JPG at MIT-MC>
To: ELLEN at MIT-MC, RP at MIT-MC

You people have any ideas for UNRUH:
   Date:  26 March 1982 17:08 est
   From:  Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
   To:  JPG at MIT-MC
   Yes, I am the William G Unruh who used to use MIT-MC, and I would love to
   use MC to do my calculations. My problem is that here I do not have access
   to ARPA NET and have been unable to find out how to get on to it from
   British Columbia. We are now on Datapac and I can therefore get onto
   Multics via TELENET. Its too expensive to phone MC (about $100/hr). If you
   have any sugestion as to how I could use MC I would love to hear it.

From ELLEN@MIT-MC  Sat Mar 27 13:27:00 1982
Date: 27 March 1982 13:27-EST
From: V. Ellen Golden <ELLEN at MIT-MC>
Subject: Using MC
To: Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
cc: JPG at MIT-MC, ELLEN at MIT-MC, RP at MIT-MC

One possibility is to request ARPAnet access (or Chaos net access...
that is our local MIT net and I believe Multics is now connected to
it) to MC to go along with your Multics account and use MC from a
"supdup" connection from Multics.  The connection (being through
Telenet to Multics then through ARPA or Chaos net to MC) will probably
be somewhat "slow" and perhaps frustrating from the "user
input/output" point of view, but of course the Tensor package would
then work for you, and you could probably do any preparation of batch
files or whatever on Multics and only make use of an interactive port
to MC to do the actual calculation.  You would have to contact the
Information Processing Services to arrange this.  If they have any
questions about it, you can refer them to me.

From JPG@MIT-MC  Sun Mar 28 13:26:00 1982
Date: 28 March 1982 13:26-EST
From: Jeffrey P. Golden <JPG at MIT-MC>
To: RP at MIT-MC, Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
cc: BUG-MULMAX at MIT-MC, CWH at MIT-MC

   RP@MIT-MC 03/25/82 19:25:27 Re: Bug in ctensr on Multics
   To: JPG at MIT-MC
   CC: RP at MIT-MC, CWH at MIT-MC
       Date:  25 March 1982 17:21 est
       From:  Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
       coordinates [u,v,x,y], symmetric metric, with 1,2=a , 3,3=b , 4,4=b
       and depends(a,[x,y],b,[x,y]). I had the metric listed. After the metric
       was displayed,I got the message
        "Call to an undefined function 'true' at Lisp level."
                     Unruh under QuantGR on Multics.
   I ran this on MC without difficulty but it does bomb out on MULTICS:
   See RP;AA BUG.  Any suggestions?
has been fixed.

From JPG@MIT-MC  Sun Mar 28 13:36:00 1982
Date: 28 March 1982 13:36-EST
From: Jeffrey P. Golden <JPG at MIT-MC>
To: RP at MIT-MC, Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
cc: BUG-MULMAX at MIT-MC

    Date: 12 March 1982 10:15-EST
    From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
        Date:  11 March 1982 18:55 est
        From:  Unruh.QuantGR at MIT-MULTICS
        In the CTENSR package on MULTICS MACSYMA , one cannot seem to
        enter a new metric . If I try tsetup() I get a message saying
        I must do a KILL(ALL). I KEEP GETTING THIS EVEN AFTER I DO A KILL(ALL)
    For the moment you will have to start up a fresh MACSYMA to enter a new
    metric.
has been fixed so starting up a new macsyma is no longer necessary.
(You have to do a KILL(ALL); and a TENSORKILL:TRUE$ as RP's comments
dictate.)

From JPG@MIT-MC  Mon Apr  5 01:02:00 1982
Date: 5 April 1982 01:02-EST
From: Jeffrey P. Golden <JPG at MIT-MC>
To: LAParker.Gravity at MIT-MULTICS
cc: MULTICS-MACSYMA-BUGS at MIT-MC

   Date: 4 April 1982 18:45 est
   From: LAParker.Gravity at MIT-MULTICS
   To: Multics-Macsyma-Bugs at MIT-MC
   [1] why did  loadfile(etensr,fasl,dsk,share)
   not load as macsyma manual says it should? What do I do?
The manual was written before the current Multics Macsyma even existed.
On Multics you can get the package which is now called "ctensr" by doing:
    loadfile(">udd>Mathlab>macsyma>share>ctensr.lisp");

   [2] Following macsyma reference manual, p.191-192, I typed tsetup(),
   but only got the reply   tsetup()
   rather than what the manual shows.
On Multics you have to do the loadfile listed in [1] above before typing
tsetup();.

From RP@MIT-MC  Fri Jul  2 13:58:00 1982
Date: 2 July 1982 13:58-EDT
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC
cc: RP at MIT-MC

I have revised the tensor manual, TM-167 (June 1980), to reflect
some changes and additions to the CTENSR and ITENSR packages. If
you wish to receive a copy let me know.

From RP@MIT-MC  Sat Nov 20 16:44:00 1982
Date: 20 November 1982 16:44-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP at MIT-MC>
Subject: RATRIEMAN
To: INFO-TENSOR at MIT-MC

At ASB's suggestion, for consistency, I have changed RATRIEMAN to RATRIEMANN
in CTENSR.

From RP@MIT-MC  Fri Jan 14 06:05:00 1983
Date: 14 January 1983 06:05-EST
From: Richard Pavelle <RP @ MIT-MC>
Subject:  GR10
To: INFO-TENSOR @ MIT-MC

Many of you on this list do not work in relativity but if
some of your colleagues have used MACSYMA for relativity
applications please forward the following to them:

Lars Hornfeldt and his colleagues at Stockholm would like
to get together a list of papers for the 10th International
Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation this July
in Padova. The papers are to be those which have used MACSYMA
for General Relativity and I am trying to collect them for
Hornfeldt. If you have published any, or if you have any in
preprint form, send them or the references to me.

Thanks.


From vttoth@vttoth.com  Tue Nov 30 23:39:00 2004
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:39:00 -0500
From: "Viktor T. Toth" <vttoth@vttoth.com>
To: "MAXIMA users"
Subject: Mail archive

This mail archive contains old MIT MACSYMA mailing list messages that were
found in two file fragments among the TENSOR package source code. It is
mostly of historical interest, but I found some of it educational, i.e.,
worth preserving. I sorted them chronologically, and modified message
headers so that the archive can now be read by any mail program that
understands UNIX format mail archives (i.e., mail -f mail-archive.txt
should suffice on any UNIX/Linux box.)

It is interesting to note that much of this code was written at a time when
people were still concerned about loading an extra few kilobytes worth of
code into system memory!

Enjoy,


Viktor Toth
(http://www.vttoth.com/)