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Welcome to the Python programming course.  I am really glad to have some
people that want to do the course.   And I hope that you are going to enjoy this
and get something useful from it.

Every course is run differently, and so let me start by discussing how I intend
to
run this one.  I had considered using  Mark Lutz's "Programming Python" which I
have.  But it was suggested that I use "Learning Python" by Mark Lutz & David
Asher.  (both O'Reilly books)  This would be more appropriate to more
inexperienced
programmers.  Some people indicated they didn't want to buy a book, or wanted to
but didn't have the means.  So...

It doesn't really matter what resource that you use, find one or more that suits
you
and your experience.  (I will include some links to online recourses).
Programming is
a practical skill, so the best way to learn is to practice it.  So, the way I
propose
to do this is to set some short assignments, working through different  parts of
the
language.  Everyone can post any questions, comments, rantings, and assignment
solutions to the mailing list.  The rate at which we progress will depend on how
fast
you are.  That is we will progress on to the next topic and assignment only as
most
people have finished the last assignment.  So if we start off eager, we can move
fast,
if people are busy with other things we will move slower.  If we find some
concept is
harder we can spend more time on it.

Now before anyone panics about assignments, of course they aren't compulsory,
but if
you don't want to do them or just one of them, please let me know so that I am
not
waiting for you.  You can just comment on other people's answers if you like.
The
assignments will be small and are a means of learning NOT assessment!!*!

This system works best if you are vocal about what you are learning.  Post a
summary if you
like, think up questions, or more assignments.  Anything that you say will help
other people
so don't hold back.

I was thinking of roughly following "Learning Python" and ordered the book, but
it is on backorder, so I have no ides when it might get here.  Please let me
know whether you have the same trouble.

ASSIGNMENT ONE!
Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience you have,
and what
resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for a book to
arrive.
Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called "Python"

I look forward to hearing from you.

sue



The Learning Python page.  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/toc.html

About Python.  http://home.rmi.net/~lutz/about-python.html

A tutorial.  http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html
The Python website.  http://www.python.org/
A downloadable book.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/diveintopython/
The O'Rielly network.  http://www.onlamp.com/python/
HOW TO documents.  http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/
For experienced programmers.  http://diveintopython.org/

http://www.pythonware.com/daily/
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Cookbook/






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>ASSIGNMENT ONE!
>Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience you
> have, and what
>resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for a =
book
> to arrive.
>Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called "Python=
"

Hi, I'm Laura Bowser, and I'm a graduate student/staff at Carnegie Mellon=
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University in Pittsburgh, PA.  I live with my fiancee and two monsters=20
(cats), and I enjoy computers, reading, needlework, and dancing.
I have a lot of progamming experience in several languages, but my streng=
th is=20
C.  I'm working in C++ and Java for work right now, and I'd like to learn=
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Python because there are a few open source projects (gramps.sourceforge.n=
et)=20
that I'd like to be able to submit bug fixes and improvements to which ar=
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written in Python.
I'm planning on using online resources and if any of my friends have book=
s, I=20
might borrow them, but I don't plan on purchasing a book.
As to why it's called Python (according to the FAQ),
It's named after Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Laura

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Hi all,

My name is Robyn and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I have some
programming experience eg Dbase, Cobol and Visual Basic courses at
Technical College. I work as a Computer Technician who also does some
teaching, I teach Intro courses in Linux and MS Products.

As to why the language is called Python well I could only hope it
doesn't have too many twists and turns.

Robyn




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Hi all

I forgot to say I'll be using online resources.

Robyn



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Hi!

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Sue Stones wrote:
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>
> ASSIGNMENT ONE! Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming
> experience you have, and what resource you are planning to use for the
> course.  Are you waiting for a book to arrive. Also post a quote that is
> related to why this language is called "Python"

My name is Jeannette Vollmer; I am a Software Test Engineer at LSI Logic
in Colorado Springs, CO. I currently test SCSI and FC device drivers on
Linux. I have programmed assembly, C, C++ and Ada, but none of them very
recently. I hadn't really considered Python until I heard it mentioned and
decided to grab the opportunity, so I will probably start with the on-line
resources that you mentioned in your letter.

Sorry, no quotes about Python :(

J


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It has been great to see so many people interested in joining the
python course, I think that it is going to be a fun time.  As you no
doubt know some people have had difficulty connecting to the linuxchix
site.  Some of these people are new to programming, so I want to wait
for a couple of days more to give them a change to register for the
course.  It is the people with very little programming experience that
will be most discoraged by finding that they have missed something.  I
would hate someone to be put off by having difficutly subscribing to
the list.

sue



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On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 10:39:34PM +1000, Sue Stones wrote:
> ASSIGNMENT ONE!
> Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience
> you have, and what resource you are planning to use for the course.

I've had a couple years of experience in C and C++, and have dabbled
in other languages such as Perl, ML, Java, bash, and even visual
basic.  I intend to use online resources for now, and possibly buy a
reference-type book if what's online isn't sufficient and I like the
language enough.  I googled for "python language named for" and got
www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/numeracy0.html, which claims it is named
for Monty Python.

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laurel@sdf.lonestar.org
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<P>Hi my names Claire. I live in Boston, Ma and currently attend Brighton High School. I've programmed in C,C++,VB,SQL,PERL, and PL/SQL. I've thought about learning python before but never took a chance at it.As far as Assignment 1 goes the answer is it's named after Monty Python.Here is the quote:</P>
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I'm Akkana Peck, working as a developer here in Silicon Valley, Calif.,
USA.  I've programmed in various languages (currently using C++, C,
JS, and perl most often), but I'm dissatisfied with the scripting
languages I know (perl, sh, csh, js, a little php) and have been
meaning to learn python for some time.

I don't have any python experience, except for very minor patches
to get python apps like Plucker to run on Redhat's somewhat
nonstandard Python system.

I haven't decided yet whether I'll buy the book or not ... I'll see
how the class goes, and buy it later if I decide it would be helpful.
I've generally found O'Reilly's "Programming..." books to be excellent
and their "Learning..." books to be a bit skimpy on details for my taste,
so I'd probably buy "Programming Python" unless everyone says that the
other one is much better.

We've already had lots of quotes about why the language is called
Python, so I'll just say that although I've never had a python, I
did briefly keep a rosy boa as a pet when I was a teenager.  She
was a very friendly and even tempered snake, and I hope Python
turns out to be just as pleasant to deal with. :-)

        ...Akkana

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On Monday 01 July 2002 05:39 am, you wrote:
> ASSIGNMENT ONE!
> Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience
> you have, and what
> resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for
> a book to arrive.
> Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called
> "Python"

Hi.  From my [basics] intro:

"I have exprerience with Windows scripting (self taught) -- DOS batch, 
Winbatch, NT Shell scripting, VBS -- used for system administration and 
software distribution in prior employments."
Now I have some exposure to Tcl/Tk on Linux, too.

I already have a couple of Python books, including "Learning Python". 

Guido Van Rossum was a fan of Monty Python's Flying Circus.  So was I.
For years, my parents had this little toy penguin sitting on top of the 
TV and every now and then someone would blurt-
"What's on the telly tonight?"
"It looks like a penquin."
http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/penguins.htm

-Liz

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My name is Jennifer Dozar. I have some php and little bit of Perl, HTML,  
programming experience. I know Visual Basic is Evil! i'm
still new to programming, hopefully i won't be one of the slow ones.  I
have programmed a little in Python, but need more practicee. I figured
this would guinde me :)
I have 2 python books.  SAMS Teach Yourself Python by Ivan Van Laningham
and Python: essential Reference by David M. Beazley. I am not waiting
for a book to come it, but would like to invest in others someday! 

"Bad Bad Naughty Zoot! She has set alight to our beacon, which i just
remembered is Grail Shaped!"
"And Now fors omething completely different"
"o/~ Brave Bold Sir Robin, come forth from Camolot.. he is not afraid to
die
Oh Brave sir Robin"
"o/~ Sit on my Face and tell me that you love me! I'll sit on your facec
and
till you i love you too, I love to hear you oralize when i' between your
thighs you blow me away!"
o/~" I like chinese. I like Chinese. They only come up to your knees,
but their cute and they're cuddly and they're ready to please" o/~

> 
> ASSIGNMENT ONE!
> Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience you have,
> and what
> resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for a book to
> arrive.
> Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called "Python"
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> sue
> 
> 
> 
> The Learning Python page.  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/toc.html
> 
> About Python.  http://home.rmi.net/~lutz/about-python.html
> 
> A tutorial.  http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html
> The Python website.  http://www.python.org/
> A downloadable book.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/diveintopython/
> The O'Rielly network.  http://www.onlamp.com/python/
> HOW TO documents.  http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/
> For experienced programmers.  http://diveintopython.org/
> 
> http://www.pythonware.com/daily/
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Cookbook/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
Jennifer Dozar
http://seul.org/~jennifer/osschools/


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Hello all,

I'm Linda Mayhugh, systems manager at a research lab in the University of 
Washington in Seattle. I'm assuming that in a group of computer people 
Seattle is a recognizable location - we're right across a large lake from 
the Evil Empire itself.

I just came out of 6 months of unemployment and got this amazing job. 
During the first interview the professor I now work for said he'd want me 
to learn Python, and if I remember correctly Sue's post about setting up a 
Python course was later that day or the next.

I haven't done much programming for a long while, and mostly Perl with 
dabblings in some others. Whether I'll get the book or use online 
resources remains to be seen.

I much prefer the image of Monty Python to that of a large compressing snake...


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Hello,

My name is Bill Blaney, and I currently live in Hanover, PA, USA.  I've been in 
the Computer Programming business for 22 years (!), mostly IBM mainframes with 
a smattering of VMS, Unix and the like.  I've programmed professionally in 
COBOL, and IBM Assembler, and have played with Pascal, C, C++ and Java.  I 
currently work as a IDMS and DB2 Database Administrator on a contract with the 
SSA.

I've been interested in Linux since 1998, and have heard that Python is a good 
language to learn.  (Not that I wanted to be a Python programer, no, I wanted 
to be a lumberjack! ...)

I plan on buying the book. I've reached the age where I suffer from volatile 
memory, so its nice to have a permanent back up ;)


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> 
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> and what
> resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for a book to
> arrive.
> Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called "Python"


Hi,

My name is Kat and I live in Cambridge, MA.  I use Java and C with a
little bit of Perl now and then. I also have some Python experience, but
it's self taught, so I'm hoping to fill in a lot of gaps.  I'm hoping to
be able to get away with using online resources, and not have to buy a
book.

As for why it's called Python, all I can say is "Bring us a shubbery!"

Thanks for teaching this Sue.

Kat

__________________________________
"You'll never be Dungeon Master until you learn how to read" -- Lisa

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Hi,

I'm a student in my second year of a BSc in Computer Science & Artificial Intelligence, and am trying to spend my time wisely before the next term starts in October, so I'm making my way through a backlog of things which were occupying my mind, one of which being that I'd like to learn Python. It seems like a nice practical, useful language, and at a quick glance looks to work along the lines of the way I think (it looks somewhat like my pseudocode :), but I have yet to learn the details.

I'm a bit of a geek, mostly programing in C, although I've been relaxing with a little php recently, as it helps clear my mind. I'm mostly intrested in low level code, OS design, system stuff etc. I  enjoy mips, and am learning strongarm assembly, to couple with some hardware projects.

Unfortunatley I dont have any witty quotes about Python, although I'm very aware that it is named after Monthy Python' :)

If anyone uses IRC, I'm on efnet (as sophie), and have a website at http://cats.meow.at/~sophie/

I think that's all :)

- Sophie

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ASSIGNMENT ONE!
>Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience you 
>have,
>and what
>resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for a 
>book
to
>arrive.
>Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called "Python"


Ok, my name is Desiree, but I prefer to be called Rae, I don't have much 
programming experience, a bit of HTML and sone QBasic, I am a senior in high 
school and all my programming courses are scheduled for this school year. 
I'll be using online resorces for the most part, although I'm looking for a 
book that will appeal to me. I tend to learn best by doing, not by reading 
descriptions.
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Hi, apologies if everyone else is getting this twice. I sent a reply
yesterday morning and still haven't seen it in my inbox.

I have previously dabbled in JavaScript, C and a bit of Python at home,
and in VB at work. I've also used SQL fairly frequently at work. I have
both the Learning Python and Programming Python books and will be using
them as references as I follow along in the course.

Wendy

On Mon, 2002-07-01 at 08:39, Sue Stones wrote:
> Welcome to the Python programming course.  I am really glad to have some
> people that want to do the course.   And I hope that you are going to enjoy this
> and get something useful from it.
> 
> Every course is run differently, and so let me start by discussing how I intend
> to
> run this one.  I had considered using  Mark Lutz's "Programming Python" which I
> have.  But it was suggested that I use "Learning Python" by Mark Lutz & David
> Asher.  (both O'Reilly books)  This would be more appropriate to more
> inexperienced
> programmers.  Some people indicated they didn't want to buy a book, or wanted to
> but didn't have the means.  So...
> 
> It doesn't really matter what resource that you use, find one or more that suits
> you
> and your experience.  (I will include some links to online recourses).
> Programming is
> a practical skill, so the best way to learn is to practice it.  So, the way I
> propose
> to do this is to set some short assignments, working through different  parts of
> the
> language.  Everyone can post any questions, comments, rantings, and assignment
> solutions to the mailing list.  The rate at which we progress will depend on how
> fast
> you are.  That is we will progress on to the next topic and assignment only as
> most
> people have finished the last assignment.  So if we start off eager, we can move
> fast,
> if people are busy with other things we will move slower.  If we find some
> concept is
> harder we can spend more time on it.
> 
> Now before anyone panics about assignments, of course they aren't compulsory,
> but if
> you don't want to do them or just one of them, please let me know so that I am
> not
> waiting for you.  You can just comment on other people's answers if you like.
> The
> assignments will be small and are a means of learning NOT assessment!!*!
> 
> This system works best if you are vocal about what you are learning.  Post a
> summary if you
> like, think up questions, or more assignments.  Anything that you say will help
> other people
> so don't hold back.
> 
> I was thinking of roughly following "Learning Python" and ordered the book, but
> it is on backorder, so I have no ides when it might get here.  Please let me
> know whether you have the same trouble.
> 
> ASSIGNMENT ONE!
> Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming experience you have,
> and what
> resource you are planning to use for the course.  Are you waiting for a book to
> arrive.
> Also post a quote that is related to why this language is called "Python"
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> sue
> 
> 
> 
> The Learning Python page.  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/toc.html
> 
> About Python.  http://home.rmi.net/~lutz/about-python.html
> 
> A tutorial.  http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html
> The Python website.  http://www.python.org/
> A downloadable book.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/diveintopython/
> The O'Rielly network.  http://www.onlamp.com/python/
> HOW TO documents.  http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/
> For experienced programmers.  http://diveintopython.org/
> 
> http://www.pythonware.com/daily/
> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Python/Cookbook/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I feel that I have only dipped my toes into programming, and have not 
designed my own programmes for many many years. I know enough to *read* 
most programming languages for technical writing purposes, but only as a 
last resort.

I am comfortable with HTML and JavaScript.

I got interested in Java in order to compose online help cross-platform, 
but have not done much tweaking here as Sun provided a way for me to use 
FrameMaker source and create JavaHelp.

Java introduced me to object-orientated thinking and programming, so I am 
looking to Python now to follow up that interest.

I have great respect for pythons as we would see them regularly when I 
lived in North-West Australia. I still find them fascinating, although have 
grown out of the desire to handle them :)

I look forward to handling some Python of my own making.

All the best
Jacqueline McNally
http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/users/zenryaku/

Community Contact, Australia/New Zealand
OpenOffice.org Marketing Project
(www.openoffice.org)

Are you a computer angel? (www.ca.asn.au)

PS The O'Reilly newsletter announced:
"PYTHON COOKBOOK
Order Number: 1673
This book is a collection of problems, solutions, and practical
examples for Python programmers, written by Python programmers. It
contains over two hundred recipes for text manipulation, object
oriented programming, XML processing, system administration, and much
more. This book is a treasure trove of useful code for both novices and
advanced practitioners, with contributions from such Python luminaries
as Guido Van Rossum, Tim Peters, Paul Prescod, and Mark Hammond.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythoncook/

Chapter 1, "Python Shortcuts," is available online:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythoncook/chapter/index.html"


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hello,
        my name is cyndi, I'll be using online resources. I have programming
experience in VB, java, c/c++, foxpro 2.6,6.0, & 7.0, cobol, csh,
javascript, mc68000 assembly and MC68(11?), and a few more. mostly I'm a
dabbler, so I can read a lot of languages, but I really only code in foxpro
and c/c++ with a dash of VB and javascript for leavening. And I think the
final q, has been answered enough. but I will say that I like pythons and
have been thinking about buying a ball python; I've heard that they're good
snakes for beginners. I wonder if this means anything in relation to the
lang.

> ASSIGNMENT ONE!
> Introduce yourself on the list, tell us what programming 
> experience you have, and what resource you are planning to 
> use for the course.  Are you waiting for a book to arrive. 
> Also post a quote that is related to why this language is 
> called "Python"
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you.

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Hello all,

My apologies for my lateness here; I'll try to keep up in the future.  My=
 name=20
is Kathy Gerber.  I work at University of Virginia in Research Computing =
-=20
see the Linux talk at http://www.itc.virginia.edu/research/talks/home.htm=
l .

My first computer was an amiga with no hard drive, and my first linux was=
=20
Slackware on 5 1/4 in. floppies.  I've not done that much programming - a=
 bit=20
of everything, and the language I probably know best is - SAS.

I have the Lutz and Ascher book, no great insights on the name, but do lo=
ok=20
forward to getting the meaning of "pythonic". =20

Kathy Gerber
   =20

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Hi, I'm Dawn.

I think back in 1992 I did one little apple script. That pretty much covers my programming experience.  I don't really aspire to be a programmer, but I see people creating the coolest little scripts sometimes, and I want to be able to do that too.
 
"Learn about Python, the language that wraps itself around a problem to squeeze out a solution, swallowing it whole."
Aaron R. Watters (http://www.networkcomputing.com/unixworld/tutorial/005/005.html)

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Hi,

Just wanted to share this book, if anyone is interested -
"How to Think Like a Computer Scientist:  Learning with Python".  It's 
free, and you can download it in a few different formats.
http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython.html

I've ordered a copy through the local independent book-seller here, too.

Bye,
Liz

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Liz Young wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just wanted to share this book, if anyone is interested -
> "How to Think Like a Computer Scientist:  Learning with Python".  It's
> free, and you can download it in a few different formats.
> http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython.html
> 

Thanks for the link! I've already downloaded a copy and browsed the
first couple of pages. Looks like just what I need to help me with this
course and you've simply got to love the GPL aspect.

I'm really looking forward to the beginning of this course!

cheers.
octal

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Thanks Liz,  I'll add it to the list on the website.

sue

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:32, Liz Young wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just wanted to share this book, if anyone is interested -
> "How to Think Like a Computer Scientist:  Learning with Python".  It's
> free, and you can download it in a few different formats.
> http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython.html
>
> I've ordered a copy through the local independent book-seller here, too.
>
> Bye,
> Liz
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Well let get into this Python, it has taken me a month to getthings off the 
ground.  I am sorry for that , thank-you for your patience.  I hope that your 
enthusiasm hasn't waned.

You will find all the assignment on the courses web page, and you can send 
your answer from there if that suits you.  The next assignment will be sent 
as soon as most people have answered this one.  So remember if you have 
problems to ask for help.

sue

Assignment 2: Getting Started


Now is time to get python installed if you haven't already.
you can get the latest version from  http://www.python.org/
The python Web site.  Read introductory chapters in your chosen
resource.

Work out how to start python.  Try entering things
interactivly.  Get python to say hello to the world.

Write a hello world program (or aome variation) in a file and
run that.  Post this file
with instructins on how to use it to the mailing list.

If you have another operating system as well, you could try this on
other systems too. Post any comments that you have about the differences.

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Hi guys,
I've attached my hello world program.  It can be run on the command line by
typing ./as2.py - assuming that python is in the same place on your machine.
Otherwise, you would have to change the path at the top to point to where
python is on your machine (eg #!/usr/local/bin/python).

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On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:21, Sneha wrote:
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Hey, everyone!

Here's my program:


#!/usr/bin/python

print "Hello, everyone!"


I did notice that it seems to work a bit better if you 'chmod 700' the
file before running it! ;-) I don't have any non-linux operating systems
installed so I'm clueless about differences on other operating systems. 

cheers.
octal

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On Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 04:10:36AM -0400, octal@solon-ohio.com wrote:
> I did notice that it seems to work a bit better if you 'chmod 700' the
> file before running it! ;-) I don't have any non-linux operating systems
> installed so I'm clueless about differences on other operating systems. 

You can run your script as "./test.py" on linux only if you've set it
7xx, or 5xx because programs need to be both readable and executable. If you
haven't changed the mode, you can run it with "python test.py" because
then the program you're running is actually Python itself, which will be
set executable.

Not all operating systems need you to mark programs as executable - they
might determine this in other ways, for example, requiring a particular
file extension.

-Mary

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On Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 04:10:36AM -0400, octal@solon-ohio.com wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/python

It is sometimes better to start them with

#!/usr/bin/env python

as Python may not always be located at /usr/bin/python (I've seen it at
/usr/local/bin/python for example).

-Mary

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well... i've done it!=20
here tis - attached :-)

thanx
m

> Assignment 2: Getting Started
>
>
> Now is time to get python installed if you haven't already.
> you can get the latest version from  http://www.python.org/
> The python Web site.  Read introductory chapters in your chosen
> resource.
>
> Work out how to start python.  Try entering things
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>
> Write a hello world program (or aome variation) in a file and
> run that.  Post this file
> with instructins on how to use it to the mailing list.
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tried entering some stuff interactively too...
ahh... i havent had such perverse joy at making a computer swear since my=
=20
first BASIC programs ;-)....=20

m - being a bit of a child tonight ;-)

On Sunday 04 August 2002 03:00, iriXx wrote:
> well... i've done it!
> here tis - attached :-)
>
> thanx
> m
>
> > Assignment 2: Getting Started
> >
> >
> > Now is time to get python installed if you haven't already.
> > you can get the latest version from  http://www.python.org/
> > The python Web site.  Read introductory chapters in your chosen
> > resource.
> >
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> > interactivly.  Get python to say hello to the world.
> >
> > Write a hello world program (or aome variation) in a file and
> > run that.  Post this file
> > with instructins on how to use it to the mailing list.
> >
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> > other systems too. Post any comments that you have about the differen=
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> > Courses@linuxchix.org
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LOL!  that's the idea!
sue

On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:06, iriXx wrote:
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> ahh... i havent had such perverse joy at making a computer swear since my
> first BASIC programs ;-)....
>
> m - being a bit of a child tonight ;-)
>
> On Sunday 04 August 2002 03:00, iriXx wrote:
> > well... i've done it!
> > here tis - attached :-)
> >
> > thanx
> > m
> >
> > > Assignment 2: Getting Started
> > >
> > >
> > > Now is time to get python installed if you haven't already.
> > > you can get the latest version from  http://www.python.org/
> > > The python Web site.  Read introductory chapters in your chosen
> > > resource.
> > >
> > > Work out how to start python.  Try entering things
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> > >
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> > > run that.  Post this file
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> > > differences. _______________________________________________
> > > Courses mailing list
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Hey Everyone!
I know I'm a little slow, but checking in so that you know I am caught up.

This was a perfect assignment to make me actually follow some of the links
(just saved that email before; lazy, lazy me!) and make sure that I had
Python installed.

So far, so good! I think I'm gonna like this!

Jeannette

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Sue Stones wrote:

>
> Well let get into this Python, it has taken me a month to getthings off the
> ground.  I am sorry for that , thank-you for your patience.  I hope that your
> enthusiasm hasn't waned.
>
> You will find all the assignment on the courses web page, and you can send
> your answer from there if that suits you.  The next assignment will be sent
> as soon as most people have answered this one.  So remember if you have
> problems to ask for help.
>
> sue
>
> Assignment 2: Getting Started
>
>
> Now is time to get python installed if you haven't already.
> you can get the latest version from  http://www.python.org/
> The python Web site.  Read introductory chapters in your chosen
> resource.
>
> Work out how to start python.  Try entering things
> interactivly.  Get python to say hello to the world.
>
> Write a hello world program (or aome variation) in a file and
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Ok, I'm in   
  
  
Jeannette's post got me to realize my laziness. :-) While watching everyone  
post their "hello world" programs I sat back and thought "gee thats not  
complicated, i can do that" (fortunatly?) i deleted all the old mails and when  
i decided to try using python today i Actually had to visit the python site  
<grin>  
catching up from assignment 1:  
  
My name is Annie, i'm in school for computer engineering but this summer i'm  
interning at an awsome company that provides (designs, impliments, tests,etc)  
secure infrastructure for their clients.  I have no programming experience  
unless you count reading the C++ and Java (1.1??) books without ever trying an  
example. Hopefully that will change with python. 
 
best to all of you 
-annie 
 
Linux: The choice of a GNU generation. 

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Hello,
        this one is mine. <points to gangly-looking many tentacled 'thing'>
*shrug* :)
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#! c:\program files\python2.2\env python
# its all about the documentation, baby

def sing_a_song():
    # sing a simple song -- badly ;)
    print """la lal allallaa allaaalla
    la lalabaBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"""

def wait(time):
    # i'm using this only to keep the window open long enough to watch my progie exec
    # in interactive mode this takes a bit longer to exec
    alist = range(0,time*1000000,1)
    for x in alist:
        pass

def print_a_pattern(patternchar,numofint):
    # its not a very good pattern, but hey
    blist = range(1,numofint,1)
    for x in blist:
        print "   " + patternchar*(numofint+x) + " "*(numofint%x) + patternchar*(numofint-x) \
              + "VvVxIiI"*(x%numofint) + '\n'*(x%2),

def question():
    print "Is there any way to get the prog to go back to a 'command prompt'" \
          "when its done running in interactive mode?" \
          + " i always have to press enter to be able to exec another cmd."

# how do you do?
print 'hello world'
print '\n'
# sotto voce
sing_a_song()
print '\n'
# if this is eye candy, its 'old tire' flavor
print_a_pattern('@',10)
print '\n'
# me, me, me, teacher, MEEEE! <hands waving>
question()
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Heh, I've been sitting here playing with all the things I've learned so 
far from the first two chapters of that wonderful book, How To Think 
Like A Computer Scientist   
(http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython.html), and forgot to send in 
my assignment : )

Thanks Liz for the link!

__________________________________
run python and at prompt type hello.py

program consists of:

#!/usr/bin/python

print "Cheerio, Chix!"
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g'day all!
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I am Pat Shanahan, retired from 40 years at a General Motors metal
stamping plant in Indianapolis, Indiana, USA.  My job was unrelated to
computer operation, but I helped my fellow supervisors learn to
interface with the computer when it was introduced to the general
workforce in the early '80s.

My first computer was a VIC20 with an audio tape drive for storage.  I
used TOPVIEW before windohs, OS/2 beta 2.0, and then Linux (currently
SuSE 7.3).

I assist senors with their computers, setup, repair, installation and
general questions, promoting OSS.  I maintain three small business
systems; two I have networked (windohs).

I have to a small degree programmed in gwbasic, visual basic, lotus,
excel, REXX/2 and gnu bash.

PYTHON

Python was invented around 1990 byt Guido van Rossum, when he was at
CWI in amsterdam.  Despite the preptiles, it is named after the BBC
comedy series 'Mondy Python's Flying Circus', of which Guido is a fan.
   general quote from 'Progamming Python, Second Edition by Mark Lutz',
O'Reilly & Associates, Inc., March 2001.

 
-- 
Patrick Shanahan
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Oh dear it has been a tough time lately, and I haven't managed to do
anything about this course.  I am sorry for that.  Hopefully things will
improve from now.  But despite my best intentions, I am not able to spend as
long on this, nor find time as consistently as I had hoped, so I have
decided on a slight change to the process of the course.

I will now only put the assignments up on the web page, and post here that
they are up. (please continue to post your response here).  Instead of
trying to keep track of who is doing the course and monitor how you are
going, I will post assignments up there as I am able to.  This will remove a
fair bit of the behind the scenes work that I was trying to do.

How will this change things for you?  You will now have more freedom to
progress at a rate that suits you.  Only go on to the next assignment when
you are ready.  You will have to take responsibility for posting comments
and questions to the list, as I won't be trying to contact you to see if you
are keeping up.  You will need to go to the website to look at the questions
for the next assignment.  (Let me know if this is a hassle).

I hope that this will work a little better.  Please let me know if you have
some comments.

The 3rd assignment is on the website now.

sue



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I would like to apologise to all of you for not  keeping up with this course
as I promised. Unfortunatly my health has not been good this year and I have
not been able to do as much as I anticipated.  I have what is known in
Australia as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (Myalgic enchephalomyelitis in the UK,
and by many other names around the world).  I hope that if you know
something about this disease that you will realise that soemtimes things
don't go according to plan.


So as far as this course is concerned.  I will not be able to do anything
for the next month.  After that it is my intention to write a number of
asignments that can be put up on the web page that could be worked through
by anyone at any stage, and at any rate.  These will be aimed mainly at the
inexperienced programmer.  The full extent of the course will  be determined
by a combintion of my health and any 'demand' from people doing the course.

I recieved feed back from soemone that the last assignment was not clear
about what to post, so I will fix that up, and try and make sure that all
future assignments are easier to understand in isolation.  I would apriciate
any feedback on anything that is not clear in the assignments.

thanks,
sue



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Hi,

I live in Sydney, Australia. I'm in my mid-50s and first learnt some
programming on Algol and Fortran back in the late '60s. So I remember using
streams of paper tape with little holes punched in it and then packs of
cards. And waiting a day or two to find out how many errors I'd made in my
code. I wasn't very good at it, maybe because I wasn't very patient or
attentive to details.

About 5 years ago, I did a programming course at a technical college using
Qbasic. The teacher thought I was good at it and encouraged me to do more. I
went on to learn some Java in partnership with my then 10 year old son. He
recently took an interest in Python and I have been studying it too through
various online resources.

This is a new resource. I like the idea of feedback through the list and
having a sense of community in learning.

The required quote would have to be from Guido van Rossum:
Apart from being a computer scientist, I'm also a fan of "Monty Python's
Flying Circus" ...

Hmmm ... I quite like snakes myself, not so much in the flesh as in a
symbolic form representing rebirth and renewal through shedding of old skin.

Anne



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Here is my "hello world" program.
(I can see from the archives that I'm a late starter in more than one
sense.)
I originally didn't have the first line of the program since I simply typed
the command
<python chix2.py> at the SSH shell prompt. I access Linux through a server.
I'm actually sitting at a Windows machine.
I saw that other answers had that first line in it, so I asked my son about
it and he explained it to me. Now I can also use <./chix2.py> at the prompt.


#!/usr/bin/python2.2
# anne - 22 sep 2002
# assignment 2 for linuxchix python course

world = raw_input("What is the name of your world? ")
print "Hello " + world + "!"
# couldn't resist adding just a tiny twist



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Sue:
We are sorry to hear of your unfortunate health :(

Thanks for your efforts in helping teach us Python! I'll be sure to
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Hi, I'm interested in your Python programming course.
I have very little experience in programming (except BASIC and Logo) and am 
interested in learning how to code.
I have the following on-line copies of these books:
non programmers intro to python
how to think like a computers scientist in python.
As well as several short tutorials.

Do you know roughly when the course will be starting?





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Thank-you for your interest in the course.  The first 2 assignments are tehre 
for you to get started on, and there will be more cooming very soon.  The 
plan is that it will ba a course that you can work through at your own pace 
and timming.  So any time it suits you to get started will be just fine.

Assignment 3 needs some modification, it is not clear enough.  I will do that 
this week, and produce more assignements asap, your intereset will spur me on 
to get into them.

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hi,
firstly i really appreciate ur mission and wanna thank you all for this 
organisation. hope i can  be part of the stuff in the meantime.

i am 21 years old, working in a private company and studying major of 
enginnering in Turkey.
my programming experience :
        programming languages:java, c, c++
        web-programming: jsp, asp,vb,java script,vb script
        database: oracle, pl/sql,sql, sybase,mssql server
        OS knowlegde:win 2000,win 9x/me, beginner at linux platforms.

i wanna learn phyton just for pleasure., wanna search what i can 
accomplish with phyton.

and
why it is called phyton?
--the coder of phyton was  a fan of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"  (BBC 
comedy series )and he  needed a name that was short, unique, and 
slightly mysterious. then he decided to put name "phyton".
reference:www.phyton.org/doc/FAQ.html

thanks in advance
with my best wishes
ilke karsli


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Hi All!

 I am a python hobbyist programmer. You can find my python page mentioned in the Personal Pages category of the python programming  language in most search engine directories. I am a programmer based in Bangalore, India.

 I was following the thread in your website about the python course. It happens that I am developing a program in pure python which can be used as to grab webpages from the internet.(What they call as "web-spiders" or "robots"). The program is in the beta stage but is quite usable for geeks. (like you :-)). Since I needed somebody to test it apart from me and my friends, I was wondering whether to post the source code in my website, if you people agree to use it for grabbing, say python documentation/books from the internet. 

 The program and source code will be under GNU GPL so that anyone can use and modify at will as long as they keep the original copyright. The program uses only standard modules in the python library, so you people can just download the source and use it, to say "off-the-shelf".

 This would be a great help for me in getting the program tested, and also for you in learning the intricacies of python language by seeing a real working app. It will be a command-line program with no GUI intricacies. Right now it works based on the settings in a config file, but I can add command-line options if needed.

Please let me know the group's decision. You can visit my homepage at http://members.fortunecity.com/anandpillai.
I shall post the latest code with some documentation on my website as soon as I get your (positive) reply. :-)

All the best for the all chix@linuxchix.org! :-)

Best Regards,

Anand B Pillai

PS: I am re-sending the original message with [Python] in the subject line as your webmaster Terri suggested.


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Unfortunatly the Python course has been discontinued (for now at least) 
because of lack of time.  

However I sugest that you post your request to one of the other Linuxchix 
lists where there are lots of people who may use it.  The programming list 
would be an apropriate place.

sue

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>
>  I am a python hobbyist programmer. You can find my python page mentioned
> in the Personal Pages category of the python programming  language in most
> search engine directories. I am a programmer based in Bangalore, India.
>
>  I was following the thread in your website about the python course. It
> happens that I am developing a program in pure python which can be used as
> to grab webpages from the internet.(What they call as "web-spiders" or
> "robots"). The program is in the beta stage but is quite usable for geeks.
> (like you :-)). Since I needed somebody to test it apart from me and my
> friends, I was wondering whether to post the source code in my website, if
> you people agree to use it for grabbing, say python documentation/books
> from the internet.
>
>  The program and source code will be under GNU GPL so that anyone can use
> and modify at will as long as they keep the original copyright. The program
> uses only standard modules in the python library, so you people can just
> download the source and use it, to say "off-the-shelf".
>
>  This would be a great help for me in getting the program tested, and also
> for you in learning the intricacies of python language by seeing a real
> working app. It will be a command-line program with no GUI intricacies.
> Right now it works based on the settings in a config file, but I can add
> command-line options if needed.
>
> Please let me know the group's decision. You can visit my homepage at
> http://members.fortunecity.com/anandpillai. I shall post the latest code
> with some documentation on my website as soon as I get your (positive)
> reply. :-)
>
> All the best for the all chix@linuxchix.org! :-)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Anand B Pillai
>
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Sounds interesting.
I'm not sure if I can test it though, but I would be interested in seeing a 
real program for once................(i've only seen really simple ones so 
far....).

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>From: "anand b pillai" <abpillai@lycos.com>
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>Hi All!
>
>  I am a python hobbyist programmer. You can find my python page mentioned 
>in the Personal Pages category of the python programming  language in most 
>search engine directories. I am a programmer based in Bangalore, India.
>
>  I was following the thread in your website about the python course. It 
>happens that I am developing a program in pure python which can be used as 
>to grab webpages from the internet.(What they call as "web-spiders" or 
>"robots"). The program is in the beta stage but is quite usable for geeks. 
>(like you :-)). Since I needed somebody to test it apart from me and my 
>friends, I was wondering whether to post the source code in my website, if 
>you people agree to use it for grabbing, say python documentation/books 
>from the internet.
>
>  The program and source code will be under GNU GPL so that anyone can use 
>and modify at will as long as they keep the original copyright. The program 
>uses only standard modules in the python library, so you people can just 
>download the source and use it, to say "off-the-shelf".
>
>  This would be a great help for me in getting the program tested, and also 
>for you in learning the intricacies of python language by seeing a real 
>working app. It will be a command-line program with no GUI intricacies. 
>Right now it works based on the settings in a config file, but I can add 
>command-line options if needed.
>
>Please let me know the group's decision. You can visit my homepage at 
>http://members.fortunecity.com/anandpillai.
>I shall post the latest code with some documentation on my website as soon 
>as I get your (positive) reply. :-)
>
>All the best for the all chix@linuxchix.org! :-)
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Anand B Pillai
>
>PS: I am re-sending the original message with [Python] in the subject line 
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I second this. This will be great. Anand, if you can dive into
more advanced stuffs on Python, that is even better!

you can forward my email to the course managers.

Eugene
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Hi All!

 Forwarding a mail I received from one of your group
members as a reply to my mail. Anyway I shall put up the
program on my website today itself. If you need a tutorial
on any advance topics or some other suggestions also, do let me know.

Expecting more replies!

Best regards,

Anand Pillai

----- Original Message -----
From: "anand b pillai" <abpillai@lycos.com>
To: <courses@linuxchix.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: [Courses] [Python] About Python Course


> Hi All!
>
>  I am a python hobbyist programmer. You can find my python page mentioned in the Personal Pages category of the
python programming  language in most search engine directories. I am a programmer based in Bangalore, India.
>
>  I was following the thread in your website about the python course. It happens that I am developing a program in
pure python which can be used as to grab webpages from the internet.(What they call as "web-spiders" or "robots").
The program is in the beta stage but is quite usable for geeks. (like you :-)). Since I needed somebody to test it
apart from me and my friends, I was wondering whether to post the source code in my website, if you people agree to
use it for grabbing, say python documentation/books from the internet.
>
>  The program and source code will be under GNU GPL so that anyone can use and modify at will as long as they keep
the original copyright. The program uses only standard modules in the python library, so you people can just
download the source and use it, to say "off-the-shelf".
>
>  This would be a great help for me in getting the program tested, and also for you in learning the intricacies of
python language by seeing a real working app. It will be a command-line program with no GUI intricacies. Right now
it works based on the settings in a config file, but I can add command-line options if needed.
>
> Please let me know the group's decision. You can visit my homepage at http://members.fortunecity.com/anandpillai.
> I shall post the latest code with some documentation on my website as soon as I get your (positive) reply. :-)
>
> All the best for the all chix@linuxchix.org! :-)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Anand B Pillai
>
> PS: I am re-sending the original message with [Python] in the subject line as your webmaster Terri suggested.
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Hi All !

 I have posted the code in my workspace. You can download the code in a zip file. I suggest you first try it to download some python documentation from the web! :-).

If you want to go directly to my site,
Click http://members.fortunecity.com/anandpillai

All the best girls!

Anand Pillai

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I second this. This will be great. Anand, if you can dive into
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you can forward my email to the course managers.

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 Hello all,
  My name is Cynthia, I'm 18 years old, I am currently a resident in Hawaii (Oahu), and I got my first taste of Linux when I was 16. I am another one of those "late-comers" into the computer world and know that I can never go back.  I was introduced to the Linux OS by a dear friend and mentor who happened to be a very experienced Linux Computer Administrator. I've always been enchanted by the world of computer security and programming and have made very few and weak attempts to learn a computer lnaguage in depth.  I was told to learn Python as a computer project and this led me into an underground society of geek fanatics alike. Though I did not have any prime interest in computers until I was about 14, I've learned a lot and have read more material than I think I will ever be able to produce.  I have been a subscriber to Linuxchix for quite some time and I am constantly learning new things. It's excited me very much to see how fast women and men alike on this site and all ov
 er the
 world have gathered together in an effort to keep opensource material and knowledge at our fingertips.  
    Hobbies I enjoy doing other than computers include, hiking, playing guitar, writing poetry, reading, soccer, swimming, surfing every chance I get, and running.
    I hope to get to know everyone personally over the course of this lesson and wish everyone the best of luck in learning Python.
           Aloha,
        Cynthia aka Dani


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G'day Cynthia,

I think that python is a good language to start to program in, it avoids some 
of the complications of other languages whilst introducing you to things like 
Object oriented programming.   I am sure that you will enjoy it, there is 
quite a sense of achievement when you get a program (big or small) to work.

I am sorry to have to disapoint you but unfortunatly this course is not 
running at the moment.  Due to a large number of problems the course 
stagnated, and I am too busy to run it at the moment.  The only reason that 
you found the course is because I missed those links when I removed the links 
from the site.  I think that I will go back and put a note up there to that 
effect.

You may still find the list of references helpfull, and I suggest that you 
find one that appeals to you and post any questions to the programming list.  
(programming@linuxchix.org)  (You will need to join that list.)  

sue



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>   My name is Cynthia, I'm 18 years old, I am currently a resident in Hawaii
> (Oahu), and I got my first taste of Linux when I was 16. I am another one
> of those "late-comers" into the computer world and know that I can never go
> back.  I was introduced to the Linux OS by a dear friend and mentor who
> happened to be a very experienced Linux Computer Administrator. I've always
> been enchanted by the world of computer security and programming and have
> made very few and weak attempts to learn a computer lnaguage in depth.  I
> was told to learn Python as a computer project and this led me into an
> underground society of geek fanatics alike. Though I did not have any prime
> interest in computers until I was about 14, I've learned a lot and have
> read more material than I think I will ever be able to produce.  I have
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> surfing every chance I get, and running. I hope to get to know everyone
> personally over the course of this lesson and wish everyone the best of
> luck in learning Python. Aloha,
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>
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Heya,
        Please don't close the filesystem topic, I'm working up a new lesson or 
two, including (at last) loopback and encrypted loopback...

Meredydd

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> I'm closing down the old courses topics on this list: the ones for
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> re-open them: contact courses-owner@linuxchix.org
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On Sun, Jun 06, 2004, Meredydd wrote:
> Heya,
>       Please don't close the filesystem topic, I'm working up a new lesson or 
> two, including (at last) loopback and encrypted loopback...

Only the topics in the subject line were shut down. Filesystem is [FS]
and is still there.

-Mary
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My name is Maureen Thomas.  I am looking forward to learning Python.  I 
have used basic, C and some Cobol.  I picked Python first becaue of the 
name.  My son had a ball python called Apollo and he was a really good 
pet.  No noise, no mess and no odor.  Very tame and seemed to enjoy 
being held and stroked.  I just didn't watch at feeding time.  He was an 
easy pet and from what I've seen Python should be a fairly easy language 
to learn.


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hi

i'm miriam, otherwise known as /dev/null on the discussion lists...
i'm a web designer/developer and so i've had limited programming 
experience although i'm pretty good with Flash ActionScript... dabbled 
in a little C++ and JavaScript, fluent in HTML, trying to learn PHP... 
hmm, like my attempts at spoken languages really, dabbled in most but 
only mastered two (Dutch and English)... lets hope i can actually manage 
to learn a programming language properly....

as for the question on why its called python.. hmm, well i havent a clue 
to be honest so i'll just sit back and listen...

thanx heaps Sue! :-)

bw
m

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Contrary to the public version of that answer (Monty Python), I have been
assured that the reason for the name is because my two ball pythons wrote
the language......Ba'aba and Mandela swear to me this is the Real Truth. <g>

--pig the gullible

On 7/5/02 6:55 AM,  <m@iriXx.org> shared this thought:

> hi
> 
> i'm miriam, otherwise known as /dev/null on the discussion lists...
> i'm a web designer/developer and so i've had limited programming
> experience although i'm pretty good with Flash ActionScript... dabbled
> in a little C++ and JavaScript, fluent in HTML, trying to learn PHP...
> hmm, like my attempts at spoken languages really, dabbled in most but
> only mastered two (Dutch and English)... lets hope i can actually manage
> to learn a programming language properly....
> 
> as for the question on why its called python.. hmm, well i havent a clue
> to be honest so i'll just sit back and listen...
> 
> thanx heaps Sue! :-)
> 
> bw
> m


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Ahh yes well of course Monty Python is just a ruse to hide from the
public that  pythons are intelligent beings.  Can you imagine how
people would respond if they thought that a python was as smart as
this.  The term "slavery" would get a whole new meaning for one thing.

Sue


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> Contrary to the public version of that answer (Monty Python), I have
been
> assured that the reason for the name is because my two ball pythons
wrote
> the language......Ba'aba and Mandela swear to me this is the Real
Truth. <g>
>
> --pig the gullible
>
> On 7/5/02 6:55 AM,  <m@iriXx.org> shared this thought:
>
> > hi
> >
> > i'm miriam, otherwise known as /dev/null on the discussion
lists...
> > i'm a web designer/developer and so i've had limited programming
> > experience although i'm pretty good with Flash ActionScript...
dabbled
> > in a little C++ and JavaScript, fluent in HTML, trying to learn
PHP...
> > hmm, like my attempts at spoken languages really, dabbled in most
but
> > only mastered two (Dutch and English)... lets hope i can actually
manage
> > to learn a programming language properly....
> >
> > as for the question on why its called python.. hmm, well i havent
a clue
> > to be honest so i'll just sit back and listen...
> >
> > thanx heaps Sue! :-)
> >
> > bw
> > m
>
> _______________________________________________
> Courses mailing list
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An article on Python:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/print.php?sid=3946

Some cool stuff on Python:

http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~strubi/3d/python/

Best,
Andy

-----Original Message-----
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Ahh yes well of course Monty Python is just a ruse to hide from the
public that  pythons are intelligent beings.  Can you imagine how
people would respond if they thought that a python was as smart as
this.  The term "slavery" would get a whole new meaning for one thing.

Sue


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!


> Contrary to the public version of that answer (Monty Python), I have
been
> assured that the reason for the name is because my two ball pythons
wrote
> the language......Ba'aba and Mandela swear to me this is the Real
Truth. <g>
>
> --pig the gullible
>
> On 7/5/02 6:55 AM,  <m@iriXx.org> shared this thought:
>
> > hi
> >
> > i'm miriam, otherwise known as /dev/null on the discussion
lists...
> > i'm a web designer/developer and so i've had limited programming
> > experience although i'm pretty good with Flash ActionScript...
dabbled
> > in a little C++ and JavaScript, fluent in HTML, trying to learn
PHP...
> > hmm, like my attempts at spoken languages really, dabbled in most
but
> > only mastered two (Dutch and English)... lets hope i can actually
manage
> > to learn a programming language properly....
> >
> > as for the question on why its called python.. hmm, well i havent
a clue
> > to be honest so i'll just sit back and listen...
> >
> > thanx heaps Sue! :-)
> >
> > bw
> > m
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Courses@linuxchix.org
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I was following the post about a python course in here. But so far all I 
see is C. Are we going to kick off python? If yes, when? I am very much 
looking forward to it.



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On Sat, 2002-07-20 at 15:34, kansas_kennedy@phreaker.net wrote:
> I was following the post about a python course in here. But so far all I 
> see is C. Are we going to kick off python? If yes, when? I am very much 
> looking forward to it.

I'm not sure who was going to start it - but feel free to kick it off
yourself. :)

This is a town square, not a lecture theatre. Pull up a soapbox and
start talking.


Jenn V.
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 11:03:23AM +1000, Jenn Vesperman wrote:
> I'm not sure who was going to start it - but feel free to kick it off
> yourself. :)

Sue Stones started it here:
http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/courses/2002-July/000535.html

-Mary.

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I am very sorry for teh lapse in acttivity in the Python course.  There have 
been a number of reasons for this.  

Firstly I have been concerned about a number of people who had shown interest
early and who didn't follow up the anouncement by loining the course.  I 
think that the reason for this was that some people didn't get the anounce 
message as it was sent at the time when there was a DNS problem.  Others told 
me that they didn't understand how to sign up for the course.

Secondly I have been quite ill for a number of weeks, and attempted to 
address the above issues but havn't got very far.  (I have ME/CFS.)

Thirdly I had a computer problem and lost everything on both my hard dics, 
twice.  ANd given my state of health I have found it hard to get over this 
obstacle, especially when I lost things for the second time.  (No things 
weren't backed up - I have be ho[ping to be able to afford a Cd writer for 
some time now).

BUT i will get onto it this weekend.  I would like to send out annother 
anouncement to give others a chance to join us.  Especially those who havn't 
done any programming before and who will find it a big obstacle to catch up.

I am sorry for the delay and I hope that you are not too discouraged by it.

Sue

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> On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 11:03:23AM +1000, Jenn Vesperman wrote:
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> > yourself. :)
>
> Sue Stones started it here:
> http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/courses/2002-July/000535.html
>
> -Mary.
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> I am very sorry for teh lapse in acttivity in the Python course.  There
> have been a number of reasons for this.
>
> Firstly I have been concerned about a number of people who had shown
> interest early and who didn't follow up the anouncement by loining the
> course.  I think that the reason for this was that some people didn't g=
et
> the anounce message as it was sent at the time when there was a DNS
> problem.  Others told me that they didn't understand how to sign up for=
 the
> course.
>
> Secondly I have been quite ill for a number of weeks, and attempted to
> address the above issues but havn't got very far.  (I have ME/CFS.)
>
> Thirdly I had a computer problem and lost everything on both my hard di=
cs,
> twice.  ANd given my state of health I have found it hard to get over t=
his
> obstacle, especially when I lost things for the second time.  (No thing=
s
> weren't backed up - I have be ho[ping to be able to afford a Cd writer =
for
> some time now).
>
> BUT i will get onto it this weekend.  I would like to send out annother
> anouncement to give others a chance to join us.  Especially those who
> havn't done any programming before and who will find it a big obstacle =
to
> catch up.
>
> I am sorry for the delay and I hope that you are not too discouraged by=
 it.
>
> Sue
>
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:33, Mary wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 11:03:23AM +1000, Jenn Vesperman wrote:
> > > I'm not sure who was going to start it - but feel free to kick it o=
ff
> > > yourself. :)
> >
> > Sue Stones started it here:
> > http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/courses/2002-July/000535.html
> >
> > -Mary.
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    No problem with the delay.  My computer still had windows on and my 
son used it and contracted a virsus.  Couldn't get into anything even my 
mandrake.  So I wiped it all out and just put mandrake in, no more 
windows.  That feels good, but I have to remake a lot of the files I 
had.  Have most of it done but not all of it.  I did get python back in 
and ready when ever you are.  I also am familar with chronic illness.  I 
have Fibro and working 12 hour shifts (on two off two, midnights.) 
doesn't help me get my computer up and running the way I would like. 
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I am very new here, also a linux newbie.  I would like to follow along on the Python course although I may find myself over my head.  Have a very little C, mainly because I never use it, and never worked at it hard.

But I will save all the lessons and do it eventually.

I know how the illness thing is.  I have chronic depression and 2 years ago was diagnosed with advanced Breast Cancer which is now in remission but been there.

Hope to get to know all of you better in the coming months.

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Hi,
Since the course hasn't started yet, I hope it's not too late for me to join
it :-)

I'm a fourth year undergraduate studying economics at the University of 
Edinburgh, Scotland.  I have no programming experience to speak of, although
I am very familiar with HTML. As I've been using Debian for a couple of
years now, I thought it was about time I learned a programming language -
Python was suggested to me as a good first language to learn.

I didn't think I'd be back from my hols in time to join this course which
is why I didn't sign up earlier. I have raided my fiance's O'Reilly
collection and pilfered both Learning Python and Programming Python, which
should hopefully be enough to be getting on with ;-)

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Hi Team,

                Some stuff, you may find useful. I am no geek in this. But
wanted to share it with all you guys.

Sue: I was really excited to see this and wanted to share it with the group.
Would you be covering socket programming too as part of this course?? Wow,
Sockets in python would be real cool, I guess :-)

Thanks,
Andy

Medusa is an architecture for building long-running, high-performance
network servers in Python. 

Medusa is in use now in several mission-critical applications, ranging from
custom web servers at extremely high-traffic sites to distributed data
processing systems. 

It is an elegant and efficient solution to a difficult programming problem.
Medusa's core async-socket library is very stable; it has been in use
virtually unchanged since 1995. [It's also part of the Python Library as of
Python-1.5.2, see asyncore.py and asynchat.py] 

http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/

A HOWTO for socket programming in Python

http://www.nightmare.com/pythonwin/async_sockets.html

Some real cool stuff you can do with Medusa is available here

http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/programming.html


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Yeah, we can do that if you like.  It great to do things that people find 
exciting.

sue


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> Hi Team,
>
>               Some stuff, you may find useful. I am no geek in this. But
> wanted to share it with all you guys.
>
> Sue: I was really excited to see this and wanted to share it with the
> group. Would you be covering socket programming too as part of this
> course?? Wow, Sockets in python would be real cool, I guess :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> Medusa is an architecture for building long-running, high-performance
> network servers in Python.
>
> Medusa is in use now in several mission-critical applications, ranging from
> custom web servers at extremely high-traffic sites to distributed data
> processing systems.
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> Medusa's core async-socket library is very stable; it has been in use
> virtually unchanged since 1995. [It's also part of the Python Library as of
> Python-1.5.2, see asyncore.py and asynchat.py]
>
> http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/
>
> A HOWTO for socket programming in Python
>
> http://www.nightmare.com/pythonwin/async_sockets.html
>
> Some real cool stuff you can do with Medusa is available here
>
> http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/programming.html
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Hi Sue and others

Does anyone have an idea when we'll be starting python?

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:36, Robyn Manning wrote:

We are going to get started right now.

Sue

> Hi Sue and others
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> Does anyone have an idea when we'll be starting python?
>
> Robyn
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Hi, hoping you guys could give me some hints...
I know that it's really simple but I just didn't know how to do it (in 
python)...
"Exercise 1
Write a program that continually reads in numbers from the user and adds 
them together until the sum reaches 100. Write another program that reads 
100 numbers from the user and prints out the sum. "
I know that it's to do with loops but I wasn't sure how to do it...

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Hi,

I've Cc-ed the programming list, since this post isn't part of a course
it would probably be better off there.

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002, Guru - wrote:
> "Exercise 1
> Write a program that continually reads in numbers from the user and adds 
> them together until the sum reaches 100. Write another program that reads 
> 100 numbers from the user and prints out the sum. "
> I know that it's to do with loops but I wasn't sure how to do it...

OK, if you were going to break this up into actual steps:

ask user for a number
read the number
add the number to the sum
check if the sum is bigger than 100, if it is stop
ask user for a number
read the number
add the number to the sum
check if the sum is bigger than 100, if it is stop
ask user for a number
read the number
add the number to the sum
check if the sum is bigger than 100, if it is stop
ask user for a number
read the number
add the number to the sum
check if the sum is bigger than 100, if it is stop

and so on...

OK, so, there's an obvious compression:

BEGIN:
ask user for a number
read the number
add the number to the sum
check if the sum is bigger than 100, if it is stop, otherwise go back to
BEGIN

This compression is the typical use of a loop: if you're going to repeat
the same action over and over, you use a loop.

So, we need to repeat an action until a condition is met. In Python, a
loop that continues running until a condition is met is a while loop. We
need to change the order of instructions for a while loop, and the
condition for a while loop is the condition for staying in the loop:

if the sum is still smaller than 100, do this:

ask user for a number
read the number
add the number to the sum

or, using the word while, and getting closer to Python code:

while the sum is less than 100 do this:

ask the user for a number
read the number X
set the value of sum to be the old value of sum plus X

Finally, the very first time the code runs, Python needs to know the old
value of sum, otherwise "set the value of sum to be the old value of sum
plus X" won't work.

So:

set sum to be 0

while the sum is less than 100 do this:

ask the user for a number
read the number X
set the value of sum to be the old value of sum plus X

Hopefully this makes while loops a bit clearer, now you just need to
translate the above into Python.

-Mary

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Mary writes:

> I've Cc-ed the programming list, since this post isn't part of a course
> it would probably be better off there.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002, Guru - wrote:
> > "Exercise 1
> > Write a program that continually reads in numbers from the user and adds 
> > them together until the sum reaches 100. Write another program that reads 
> > 100 numbers from the user and prints out the sum. "

> > I know that it's to do with loops but I wasn't sure how to do it...

What do you need to know in order to complete task one:

    Write a program that continually reads in numbers from the user
    and adds them together until the sum reaches 100.

By this I mean, what variables are necessary to accomplish the task?

1) A number that is read in from the user (input_num)
2) A number that accumulates a running total (accumulator)

The only other datum needed is the number 100, which is a constant, and
is not a variable because it does not vary:

    Write a program that continually reads in numbers from the user
    [input_num] and adds them together until the sum [accumulator]
    reaches 100.

Next, we define the condition in which we loop. In this case, it is
simple: ( accumulator < 100 ). There also must need be an
initialization step if we use a variable prior to an assignment (x =
y), as prior to the assignment it is undefined and could contain
anything.

Steps:
  1) Define Variables
  2) Initialization
  3) Loop

There are two, general types of loops, the "check condition before"
and the "check condition after" and in C (I do not know python) these
can be respectively translated as:

while(CONDITION IS TRUE) {
  ACTIONs
}

and

do {
  ACTIONs
} while(CONDITION IS TRUE);

For the first assignment,

    Write a program that continually reads in numbers from the user
    [input_num] and adds them together until the sum [accumulator]
    reaches 100.

note that there needs to be an action prior to the condition being
checked, so I would suggest the latter (check condition after) loop.
Putting them all together:

Define_Variables:
    int input_num;
    int accumulator;

Initialization:
    accumulator = 0;

Loop:
    do {
        std::cout << "Please enter a number: ";
        std::cin >> input_num ; // place user's number in input_num
        accumlator = accumlator + input_num;
     }
  Loops_Condition:
        while(accumulator < 100);

The other while loop would work as well because of the initialization:

   int input_num;
   int accumulator;

   accumulator = 0;

   while(accumulator < 100) {
       // etc.
   }

But this wastes a test (the "if(accumulator < 100)" implied by
"while(accumulator < 100)") because we know that accumulator will
alway be less than 100 due to its initialization.

As for the second task:

    Write another program that reads 100 numbers from the user and
    prints out the sum.

We can use a similar series of steps as well as variables but the
*big* difference is that the condition does not depend on the user's
input at all, but rather the steps should occur a fixed number of
times (100).

In order to accomplish this, what steps do we do?

1) Define Variables
2) Initialization
3) Loop

These are the *same* steps as prior but there needs to be another
variable, a counter (in computer parlance, an "iterator", or "i" for
short). Here is step 1:

Define_Variables:

  int input_num;
  int accumulator;
  int i; // iterator

Next comes the Initialization:

Initialization:

  accumulator = 0;
  i = 0;

And then loop. Again, we can use the second form of the loops
mentioned above because we know that our iterator, i, shall be less
than 100.

Loop:
  {
     std::cout << "Please enter a number: ";
     std::cin >> input_num;
     accumulator = accumulator + input_num;
     // increase the iterator (running count)
     i = i + 1;
   }

  Loops_Condition:

     while(i < 100);

This is a set-up for a "for loop" that places the steps:

1) Initialization
2) Increase Iterator
3) Check Condition for loop

together:

for( INITIALIZATION ; CHECK CONDITION; ADJUST ITERATOR )

but the "ADJUST ITERATOR" step can really be anything, just something
that should change with each step. The for loop, however, is unlike
the:

    do {
    } while() 

loop but is like the 

    while() {
    }

loop as the condition is checked prior to the instructions are
performed.

Define_Variables:

  int input_num;
  int accumulator;
  int i;

Initialization:
Loop:
Adjust Condition:

  for(accumulator = 0, i = 0; i < 100; i = i + 1) {
       std::cout << "Please enter a number: ";
       std::cin >> input_num;
       accumulator = accumulator + input_num;
  }


Here are the steps of the "for loop":

1) Initialization (accumulator = 0, i = 0)
2) Check Condition (i < 100)

   If condition is true

3) Do Instructions in body
4) Adjust iterator (i = i + 1)
5) Goto 2 (check condition *again*)

I hope this helps some and isn't as clear as mud. If it is just ignore
me! :-)

Elizabeth

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The designers were fans of the Flying Circus.
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Chimo,

Graham Walker


"Politics and religion are obsolete; the time has come for science and
spirituality. I regard that as my guiding light."
                    --Pandit Nehru, first Indian Prime Minister

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On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:34:50PM -0500, Graham Walker wrote:
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> 
> Graham Walker
> 
thank you for the quick course in the naming of python!  i made a
gallery of cheese images for gimp python demonstrations because of this
fact: http://ircd.gimp.org/~carol/images/cheese.html

carol


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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006, Carol Spears wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:34:50PM -0500, Graham Walker wrote:
> > The designers were fans of the Flying Circus.
> > 
> > Graham Walker
> > 
> thank you for the quick course in the naming of python!  i made a
> gallery of cheese images for gimp python demonstrations because of this
> fact: http://ircd.gimp.org/~carol/images/cheese.html

Graham's message must have been a reply to the first lesson in our old
Python course: http://www.linuxchix.org/content/courses/python/ass1.html

That page doesn't make it clear that the Python course was run years ago
:(

-Mary

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There must be something I'm missing about the Flying Circus, because I 
don't get the chese reference. A page full of silly walks or spam, now 
that I would understand. Can anyone clue me in?

cheers,
maria

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On 1/8/06, Maria McKinley <maria@shadlen.org> wrote:
> There must be something I'm missing about the Flying Circus, because I
> don't get the chese reference. A page full of silly walks or spam, now
> that I would understand. Can anyone clue me in?
>
> cheers,
> maria
>

well, i guess it is connected to the mouse problem? ;)
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/mouse.htm


regards,
tanja

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On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:15:41AM -0800, Maria McKinley wrote:
> There must be something I'm missing about the Flying Circus, because I 
> don't get the chese reference. A page full of silly walks or spam, now 
> that I would understand. Can anyone clue me in?
> 
it was nicer than a gallery of dead parrot images?  i think the internet
is still a handful of years from being to generate a gallery of licensed
to use images of dead parrots and i am not going to keep tabs on it.

i was looking for the cheese example in the python library reference.
it is there, i just can't find it.

silly walk is copyrighted in a way that cheese cannot be?

carol


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Got it. I think I missed that episode. Still have a long way to go on 
the complete box set of Flying Circus someone lent me. The gallery of 
dead parrot images does have some morbid appeal, yes? Ok, my weirdness 
is definitely beginning to show. I guess i shouldn't post off-topic at 
3am. ;-)

maria

Carol Spears wrote:
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>>There must be something I'm missing about the Flying Circus, because I 
>>don't get the chese reference. A page full of silly walks or spam, now 
>>that I would understand. Can anyone clue me in?
>>
> 
> it was nicer than a gallery of dead parrot images?  i think the internet
> is still a handful of years from being to generate a gallery of licensed
> to use images of dead parrots and i am not going to keep tabs on it.
> 
> i was looking for the cheese example in the python library reference.
> it is there, i just can't find it.
> 
> silly walk is copyrighted in a way that cheese cannot be?
> 
> carol
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Can the discussion of Monty Python and related things please move to
grrltalk or grrls-only? It's off-topic here.

-Mary

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here i have some examples maybe can be useful for Python newbies like me:
http://nitrofurano.linuxkafe.com/python/