7 Network Working Group R. Austein
8 Request for Comments: 3197 InterNetShare
9 Category: Informational November 2001
12 Applicability Statement for DNS MIB Extensions
16 This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does
17 not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this
22 Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2001). All Rights Reserved.
26 This document explains why, after more than six years as proposed
27 standards, the DNS Server and Resolver MIB extensions were never
28 deployed, and recommends retiring these MIB extensions by moving them
33 The road to the DNS MIB extensions was paved with good intentions.
35 In retrospect, it's obvious that the working group never had much
36 agreement on what belonged in the MIB extensions, just that we should
37 have some. This happened during the height of the craze for MIB
38 extensions in virtually every protocol that the IETF was working on
39 at the time, so the question of why we were doing this in the first
40 place never got a lot of scrutiny. Very late in the development
41 cycle we discovered that much of the support for writing the MIB
42 extensions in the first place had come from people who wanted to use
43 SNMP SET operations to update DNS zones on the fly. Examination of
44 the security model involved, however, led us to conclude that this
45 was not a good way to do dynamic update and that a separate DNS
46 Dynamic Update protocol would be necessary.
48 The MIB extensions started out being fairly specific to one
49 particular DNS implementation (BIND-4.8.3); as work progressed, the
50 BIND-specific portions were rewritten to be as implementation-neutral
51 as we knew how to make them, but somehow every revision of the MIB
52 extensions managed to create new counters that just happened to
53 closely match statistics kept by some version of BIND. As a result,
54 the MIB extensions ended up being much too big, which raised a number
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63 of concerns with the network management directorate, but the WG
64 resisted every attempt to remove any of these variables. In the end,
65 large portions of the MIB extensions were moved into optional groups
66 in an attempt to get the required subset down to a manageable size.
68 The DNS Server and Resolver MIB extensions were one of the first
69 attempts to write MIB extensions for a protocol usually considered to
70 be at the application layer. Fairly early on it became clear that,
71 while it was certainly possible to write MIB extensions for DNS, the
72 SMI was not really designed with this sort of thing in mind. A case
73 in point was the attempt to provide direct indexing into the caches
74 in the resolver MIB extensions: while arguably the only sane way to
75 do this for a large cache, this required much more complex indexing
76 clauses than is usual, and ended up running into known length limits
77 for object identifiers in some SNMP implementations.
79 Furthermore, the lack of either real proxy MIB support in SNMP
80 managers or a standard subagent protocol meant that there was no
81 reasonable way to implement the MIB extensions in the dominant
82 implementation (BIND). When the AgentX subagent protocol was
83 developed a few years later, we initially hoped that this would
84 finally clear the way for an implementation of the DNS MIB
85 extensions, but by the time AgentX was a viable protocol it had
86 become clear that nobody really wanted to implement these MIB
89 Finally, the MIB extensions took much too long to produce. In
90 retrospect, this should have been a clear warning sign, particularly
91 when the WG had clearly become so tired of the project that the
92 authors found it impossible to elicit any comments whatsoever on the
97 Observations based on the preceding list of mistakes, for the benefit
98 of anyone else who ever attempts to write DNS MIB extensions again:
100 - Define a clear set of goals before writing any MIB extensions.
101 Know who the constituency is and make sure that what you write
102 solves their problem.
104 - Keep the MIB extensions short, and don't add variables just
105 because somebody in the WG thinks they'd be a cool thing to
108 - If some portion of the task seems to be very hard to do within the
109 SMI, that's a strong hint that SNMP is not the right tool for
110 whatever it is that you're trying to do.
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119 - If the entire project is taking too long, perhaps that's a hint
124 In view of the community's apparent total lack of interest in
125 deploying these MIB extensions, we recommend that RFCs 1611 and 1612
126 be reclassified as Historical documents.
128 4. Security Considerations
130 Re-classifying an existing MIB document from Proposed Standard to
131 Historic should not have any negative impact on security for the
134 5. IANA Considerations
136 Getting rid of the DNS MIB extensions should not impose any new work
141 The author would like to thank all the people who were involved in
142 this project over the years for their optimism and patience,
143 misguided though it may have been.
147 [DNS-SERVER-MIB] Austein, R. and J. Saperia, "DNS Server MIB
148 Extensions", RFC 1611, May 1994.
150 [DNS-RESOLVER-MIB] Austein, R. and J. Saperia, "DNS Resolver MIB
151 Extensions", RFC 1612, May 1994.
153 [DNS-DYNAMIC-UPDATE] Vixie, P., Thomson, S., Rekhter, Y. and J.
154 Bound, "Dynamic Updates in the Domain Name
155 System (DNS UPDATE)", RFC 2136, April 1997.
157 [AGENTX] Daniele, M., Wijnen, B., Ellison, M., and D.
158 Francisco, "Agent Extensibility (AgentX)
159 Protocol Version 1", RFC 2741, January 2000.
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